HylianSwordsman said:
Prof's non-traditionalness means day talk is LESS of a possibility? Characters could be outside the roster and good and bad guys won't match the flavor?
Come on, these are all defenses against some of the most scummy behavior out there. You're basically telling us not to follow any leads we have so far. I'm really confused what your point about post number is anyway. First you say the number of posts prove nothing, then you say number of posts is more important. The whole point of Nickles argument was that the post count was ZERO and Noctis was trying to say it wasn't. It feels like you're trying to defend Noctis, while at the same time saying Noctis doesn't need defending. I agree that we've too little to go on with Noctis, but if you think we're getting nowhere with it, then start investigating, not defending. The fact that this is a role madness game where most if not all people have powers should tell you prof's non-traditionalness is already at work. I'm not saying we should assume there's day talk, but if there isn't day talk, prof's non-traditionalness is NOT the reason for that, as his not being traditional is just as good a reason to think there is day talk as to think there isn't. As for not being a part of the Smash roster, what would the point of a Smash flavored game be then? Sounds like you're trying to open up the possibility of claiming a non-playable character so you can do so later and not fear a counterclaim. And then you imply that town sounding characters might be scum? The last game we played, the bad guys in the flavor were scum, and the good guys in the flavor were town. In the Fire Emblem game, the same thing happened, with the entire scum team being villains. What's the point of having flavor if it doesn't match? Sure, making flavor hunting the easy way out isn't favorable, but that's why the Fire Emblem game had fakeclaims. In both the Fire Emblem game and the Starcraft game, flavor hunting would have helped town. Yet here you are basically saying to ignore the flavor altogether. Sounds to me like you're trying to put the idea into people's heads that considering good guys for lynching is a good idea, so that you can promote a mislynch. If we consider a Mario claimer for a lynch it should be because we don't believe his Mario claim, not because we think Mario is somehow scum. In short, Occam's razor would tell us that everyone is part of the roster and good guys are town and bad guys are scum. We shouldn't be considering stuff like that until we have good reason to believe the simpler answer can't explain what we've seen. |
Actually, I agree with Astro in saying that we should assume everyone is scum, no matter their character. Consider these three points;
1) Prof HATES flavour hunting. It effectively ruins the point of the game and makes it so that the game is less about reading people and more about who is what character and how well you know the lore (you could claim a character that seems good from a quick research but an experienced person in that lore could know that said character spent a brief time under the influence of the evil characters for example).
2) Smash is all about the free-for-all aspect. What's fun about Smash is that you can pit any two characters you want and see them fight it to the end. Peach vs. Mario, Luigi vs. Link, all those kind of match ups are possible. As such, surely if you want to stick with the flavour we're working with, it would make far LESS sense for only the evil characters to be mafia and only good characters to be town as that's not how it works in the game itself.
3) What about the neutral characters like Wii Fit Trainer or Dog Hunter Dog? (not got the game so I'm not sure on the official name of the latter). How would they fit into the flavour? You could say they're good by default of not having ever done anything bad but at the same time they've never really done anything good either have they? They just show up to the Smash Bros arena and start kicking ass for no good reason. Prof might have left such characters out for this reason but then that just defeats the point of it being a Smash based round where anything is possible.
I'll agree with the comment about the playable roster though, it sounds kind of like what people were saying when they were joking about Mr. Saturn being the Watcher and seems kind of parrot-y to me.
