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XanderXT on 29 September 2014
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Mr_No said:
Qute said:

It gives him invulnerability over a period of time. However, since Jak froze time, Link's magic armor is now invulnerable for the time stop since time is frozen. Also, what's really preventing Link from stopping time? It's not like he takes time doing a time-stop. You also didn't counter Sonic's time stop either.

Samus definitely has the weaponry to fend Fred off. You seriously gave me nothing to believe that Fred would kill Samus other than tentacles and "unkown form" That's nice and all, but Samus's various visors can tell which one is real and which one is false. You still didn't address on how Ratchet would even see Samus due to the fact that Samus is way too fast for Ratchet. I really have doubts the Fred will even harm Samus. Really, you keep saying that Ratchet would hit her with the disco or Fred despite the fact that she's several times faster than her to the point where she can hit him before he can even blink.

Also, which dinosaur are you referring to? Vorash? Samus only had the basic powersuit(no varia upgrade) with only two energy tanks(the max you can collect at that point since Other M is a linear game for a Metroid game). With the varia suit, and plentiful amounts of energy tanks, she can easily shrug off nukes. Also, in that same scene, Vorash munched through that bridge which is made from Bendezium and Maldium, that same thing that easily takes nukes.

The mag-net wouldn't do anything to Samus's suit, as I said before, takes multi terawatts with low damage. In fact, why can't Samus just blow every single weapons Ratchet has?

What makes you think that Samus can just kill an interdimensional creature she knows nothing about? If an enemy caught by Fred would've killed him, he would've been dead already. Even her fancy visor would not detect the monster's full capabilities since she can't see how he is from the interdimensional portal. While Ratchet can't see her, Jak can stop time to spot her location, and allow Ratchet to open a disco ball, let her dance a bit and open a rift so she can immediately be dispatched by Fred. I've seen clips of her running and being curled up in a ball, and to be honest, she is not that fast (in the clips I've seen). The Mag-Net might not make damage to her, but it will hold her long enough for Ratchet to use any tactic. You might doubt that Fred won't eat her, but this isn't just a reckless fight. It's a tactical one. If at first Samus doesn't know about the capability of Ratchet's weapons, she'll go towards him and at least try to attack him. He deploys the disco ball, she starts dancing and getting her groove on, she gets all tentacle'd by Fred and dragged away to be eaten. If she's under the effect of the Groovitron, she can't attack Fred at all. The only way she'll stay away from Ratchet and his disco ball is for her to snap out of the effect and learn from it, which is impossible since Ratchet will use everything to his advantage to get rid of her. Her visor would only inform her that it's only a harmless disco ball

Honestly, this argument has gone in circles and it won't seem to end anytime. I don't see samus killing Ratchet in any way. Harm him? Probably? Kill him? Doubtful. I still stand by saying that Ratchet would beat samus.


Her visor will tell her what it is. It was able to deduce the Space Pirate society, which no one even knew about, in seconds.