Teeqoz said:
IamAwsome said:
Teeqoz said:
Lol, I find your defensiveness here amusing. Where did I post anything that made you think that? Was it just because I pointed out that your statement was factually incorrect? You said "MS also has new stuff like Scalebound, Sunset Overdrive and Project Spark." And I said that that was wrong, none of them are MS projects, that's like saying The rise of the Tomb Raider is an MS project just because it's exclusive (Project Spark isn't even exclusive, it's coming to PC and the 360 as well). Now if you want to have a discussion were you won't make assumptions on what other people think I'm okay with that, but you can't go around saying things that are plain wrong without expecting to be called out on it. |
I'm just saying, you pointed out the three games I listed while talking as if the new studios don't exist.
Anyway, as for the three games, how are they not MS projects? Microsoft doesn't have to own the studio for the game to be a "1st party game". They funded the titles. I'm not insisting that every exclusive that shows up on Xbox is a "MS game", but the three that I listed definately are. Others have said MS doesn't invest in first party content. I was using those examples and the studios to show that they clearly do.
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MS has to own the studio for it to be a 1st party game. That's the definition of a 1st party game. I'm not sure for all of them but for Sunset Overdrive MS doesn't own the IP, Insomniac does. I doubt MS owns the IP for Project Spark because it's coming to PC. You're using 3rd party games as an argument for MS 1st party.
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No. A first party game is when an IP is owned by a platform holder. This is not to be mistakened with a first party developer (which MS barely ever use or are just using improperly). This is why MS isn't known for internal prowess.
Sunset Overdrive is a third party game. Gears of War was made by second party until Microsoft made it first party by buying the IP. The game started out third party but Microsoft contracted Epic and funded them for the production of the game which made them a second party studio for them at that time.
Rare was a second party developer for Nintendo until Nintendo gave up their shares and MS bought them and made them first party. First party content can be made by a second party (contracted to make an IP owned by the publisher). We call that a "commission" because you're paying for the work of a contracted outside source.
Also second party dont have to make first party, they are just contracted to make exclusives, but a publisher can request to keep an IP but they have to pay up for the rights. This is why when Rare left Nintendo they took almost their whole catalogue with them even though Nintendo published most of the games.
