The Xbox One: A Lying Failure Machine

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Burek said:

I really don't understand why you are so vehemently defending the XBox executives. Is it so hard, and so unbelievable to you, to actually entertain the notion that they were doing all that on purpose? That they purposely said everything they did, that they purposely tried to push an anti-gamer agenda which would only suit their bottom line?

Vehemently??  Its an opinion.  Not sure where you get that I am defending MS execs.  I made a statement about what I consider as lying.  It doesnt matter if its Sony, MS or Nintendo.  This is where you are reading my words incorrectly.  You believe that I care about execs but I do not.  I care about having an informed opinion.

Because, honestly, even if I were an XBox supporter, it would be easier for me to believe that, than to believe that they are a bunch of incompetent buffoons who were just speaking random bullshit.

Thats the point, I am not an Xbox supporter.  I am a gamer.  Never tought of myself as Xbox, PS or Nintendo supporter.  I play games on all the systems.  I usually will purchase all the systems.  I do not admire Sony, MS or Nintendo because they are entities that want my money.  This is the difference in the way I think.  The only thing MS, Sony and Nintendo can do for me is give me a product that will give me enjoyment, support that product and do nothing to piss me off.  Thats about as much loyalty I have for any of these corporations.

I cannot believe that any of those people (Mattrick, Nelson/Hryb, Harrison, Spencer, Pennello etc.) managed to rise to the very top of the hierarchy of one of the best, largest, most profitable corporations in the entire world, while at the same time being complete and utter clueless idiots.

Who said they were.  If thats the conclusion you got from my post then I guess we see things different.  I made a comment that one person is used as a means to call an entire company as lying to consumers and for some reason you take it as all the execs you mentioned are complete utter clueless idiots.  Not sure how you came to such an opinion based on what I am discussing but its has nothing to do with the comments I made.

That for those 30 days in May-June of 2013, the biggest crunch time in the past decade, when they knew the entire global press will be focused on them, when they were preparing several years for the launch of what should have been the most profitable hardware product of Microsoft's history, which would bury Sony for good by taking over huge chunks of EU market, they were so stupid and moronic that they could not prepare themselves to answer several questions on the most basic specifications of their console.

Exactly where are you going with this.  Are we even talking about the same subject.  There was one comment from Larry Hryb that is now used as the mantra for MS being a lying company.  This is the point I am arguing about, not about MS screw ups concerning the original vision of the X1.  In discussions I like to stay on point not throw in a lot of other stuff that has no relevance on the topic being debated.

 As for the direction of the X1, is it really that crazy that MS screwed up.  Was it crazy that Sony did the same thing during the PS3 era.  Shit happens, companies screw up or visions are to aggressive.  Its not the screw ups that should concern most people its how the company handle the screw up.

The entire console was based on DRM, Kinect, always-on, sports, TV, exclusive games and original programming. That's not a lot of data for college educated high-level executives to remember.

This is not on the topic being discussed.  

Sure, I concede that it could have been embarassing had the press asked Hryb how many condensers or transistors the console has, had they asked whether it uses 54 or 45 Watts of electricity when in stand-by, or some extremely minute and unimportant detail. But to claim that they were unprepared to explain 5 basic concepts of their new console - that seems to me very unlikely.

@BOLDED: Nope, never said that.  You are adding words or an opinion to what I stated which is incorrect.  I stated that when asked about DRM, Larry stated it could not be turned off like a switch.  This is what we were discussing not 5 basics concepts of their console.  I thought we were talkign about MS lying to consumers.  There are 2 comments used to support this theory.  One line was Phil Harrision statement on Kinect, the other was Larry Hryb on DRM.  I was contesting the Larry Hryb DRM line as it only came from him and was not supported by anyone else at MS.  Phil statement I found was supported by more people at MS including Phil Spencer.

So I don't accept those defences, I don't believe they were so vastly incompetent to answer a few questions about very major features of their new console. It is much more believable, and definitely closer to the truth, that they wer doing all that on purpose, hoping that their half-assed explanations will not garner any criticism and that the public will accept it and move on.

I understand why you do not accept what I wrote because you and I are talking about something totally different.  You are talking about the whole scope of the X1 reveal and launch and I am talking about why MS is considered as lying to consumers.  Everything I wrote has to do with statements people made that MS was lying, nothing more.