Machiavellian said:
Burek said:
Machiavellian said:
Can you tell me who at MS stated you could not turn off the 24hr check in or that Kinect cannot be removed from the hardware. Was it Don Matt or Phil Spencer or any official message MS sent to customers concerning the X1. Was it anyone in charge of the Division or high up to make those decisions. Could it just be that it was one man answering a question that was thrown to him in a inprontun interview where he probably should have not answered the question because he did not know.
I have searched a lot so but I could only find those statements from Larry and no one else. Maybe someone else google queries are better than mine.
I believe context is big when making such decisions. When you only have one person making a statement that is not reiterated by the big brass or communicated officially then its hard for me to say MS as a company lied. You could easily say that Larry Hryb was either misinformed, knee jerked a response or just responed on how he felt instead of what could happen.
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Seriously, you couldn't find it?
There are some links in my post (#102 of this thread).
This link here: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license (some points have been removed after 180)
Article quoting it in the original timeframe http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/6/4403936/xbox-one-online-requirements-details when they still haven't made the change.
I quote:
Microsoft is confirming today that its upcoming Xbox One console will need to connect to the internet every 24 hours for games to work. "Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection," says a statement from the software maker. Microsoft explains that Xbox One accounts can be used on other consoles to access digital libraries, but that an hourly internet check will be required in that particular case. Live TV, Blu-ray, and DVD movies will work without a connection check every 24 hours.
More links in my post to statements to senior Microsoft officials such as Don mattrick and Phil Harrison.
Do not shift blame to customer service. All of those policies were official Microsoft policies until they got laughed out of E3 and had to start changing everything.
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I want you to read the bolded part of what I wrote and than think about about what you just posted. Did you understand what I was asking. I will reiterate it again. I could not find anyone from MS that stated they could not change the 24hr check or that Kinect support could not be removed.
What you just stated was the original policy and the X1 software. No one is arguing what the original policy was we all know that part. The question is where did MS lie to consumers. People specificly stated they believe MS owe them an apology for lying. The post I was responding to stated that MS lied about not being able to remove the DRM and Kinect. What you posted has absolutly nothing I was commenting on and is something totally different. In discussions like these people need to read everything as you lose context of what is being discussed.
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Major Nelson said you "can't flip a switch" and turn off DRM since "the console was built around it"
Phil Harrison said "Xbox One is Kinect. They aren't separate systems" which implies that removal was impossible. It'd be akin to removing the RAM and expecting the system to still work
edit: and if you take "you can't flip a switch" to mean "it's not that the DRM is unable to change, it's that it'll take hard work and time to change it", well, first off, they literally did just "flip a switch". E3 2013 was June 11-13, the 180 happened on the 19th of the same month. And if the console was "built around it", it implies that it can't be changed. Wii was built around motion controls....you couldn't just "flip a switch" and get rid of the Wii mote. PS3 was built around blu-ray and high capacity games. You couldn't just "flip a switch" and get rid of Blu-ray. That's what "built around" means.
