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dallas said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
dallas said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
dallas said:
No no no. Toshiba/Microsoft are only staying in the race, even to this poor degree, because they are selling their HDVD players below production cost.

And, when Sony's new BD players come out...the $499 one....it will push them to the top and convince Microsoft to end this, because microsoft has to be losing money on something that they have no possible chance of winning unless a nuclear bomb or asteroid hits sony headquarters.


1. In this case, the Ps3 does come it. Selling the hardware at a loss is a common practice. Software makes up for it in the long run (unless you screw it up like with the Xbox).

2. $500 is still greater than $300-$400, so that won't convince anyone they are about to lose.

3. Microsoft just supports HD-DVD. Toshiba has most of the investment. Yet they aren't losing any more money than Sony is in terms of HD films.

In short, I hope you were being sarcastic, because that argument fails to prove what will happen on way or the other.

 

This isn't going to "prove" anything, but it is merely evidence of a trend, that is in the blu-ray's favor. In fact, you really can't prove anything at this point, we'll just have to see how the whole thing plays out....but keep in mind, 3:1 sales, BD's favor

Secondly, Microsoft is the Originator and manufacturer of the HD-DVD. Toshiba may make the players, but microsoft makes the $$$ when the HDDVD movies are sold.

And, yes, $500 is greater than $300, but it is also a lot less than the current price of $800, so i'm expecting a big jump in BD sales when this new player does finally come out.

 


3:1 where? Link? And does that mean each blu-ray movie outsells each HD-DVD 3:1, or is that due to more releases, which means each films sells abot the same?

Toshiba and NEC developed HD-DVD, and the get most of the money. Microsoft didn't have a finger involved in its development, and they don't get a cent, unless they decide to release software on HD-DVD. I can't believe you got such a basic fact wrong. I bet you even twisted sales reports of blu-ray to read 3:1, when recent reports have actually been 2:1.

If HD-DVD players didn't get a huge leap from $400, and the $500 PS3 sold poorly, that prediction of the $500 player doing better doesn't hold much weight.


1. The 3:1 ratio has been widely mentioned, and you know that.

2. You are trying to compare apples to oranges with the case of HD-DVD sales @ $300, and the upcoming $500 BD player.....People don't buy it, b/c consumers think that the format sucks, apparantly. All in all, wouldnt you think that reducing the price of an expensive item to 60% of what it was would have an impact on sales? Common sense should be guiding you here, but you seem to have lost that ability, bub.


 1. Mentioned only on boards like this. I haven't seen any official articles that cite such a ratio. 2:1, yes, but not 3:1.

 2. Again, the PS3 was first available at $500. It didn't sell that well, even though it had a game system at a player. So expecting a stand-alone player to jump sales, when it didn't work just a few months before, is an unrealistic expectation. 



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