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lenardo said:
in other news toshiba has just announced they are winning the -standalone- high def player race...spin spin...


ie they are Excluding the PS3 from their figures (which is ...PR SPEAK at it's finest)

 Well it is hard to qualify the PS3, given that HD-DVD and blu-ray are useless without HDTVs, and the PS3 is about the only such product that doesn't need HDTVs.

Also, they didn't count the 360's HD-DVD drive either in those figures, or PC drives, for either format. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs