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BMaker11 said:
Mr Khan said:

But who is to say that certain people deserve to be paid so much more? The market is not an infallible arbiter of prices, and certainly has no moral underpinnings to speak of. If the people are making too little to live on, then they're making too little, period. 

Secondly, these things happen, especially when the side of the aisle screaming about "personal responsibility" is the one trying its damned hardest to prevent access to contraception of all kinds, or even the teaching of such in schools.

Well, if I'm an engineer, and I design infrastructure and the like, tasks that takes years of education and training, and even more time to plan designs and then execute....do you think stocking shelves at the grocery store (a job that literally a child could do if it were legal) should be paid anywhere close to the same?

If I'm a doctor, who has to do open heart surgery, diagnose symptoms with the proper medications, know just about everything about the human anatomy, etc. things that take over a decade to learn, plus clinical rotations and examinations....do you think saying "That'll be $7.85" should be paid anywhere close to the same?

Who's to say certain people deserve to be paid so much more? Well, I think common sense would dictate that they be paid so much more. A job that takes time, money, effort, education, rigorous examination, multiple interviews, etc. just to obtain should definitely be paid more than a job, like I stated before, that can be filled by any random schmo on the streets.

I agree, slightly, with your last statement, though. I hate that the people who say "you shouldn't be going out having kids" are the same people that go out and block contraception by any means necessary (either by preventing it from being covered by insurance or by using the "conscience clause") and teach abstinence only. And I would say that in this day and age, you'd have to be completely retarded not to know that sex leads to children, if you're not safe about, but I know a terrible enough percentage of kids don't know that. But at the end of the day, and I'll reiterate it a 3rd time: jobs that take no training and can be completed by a high schooler should not be paid the same as jobs that take high skills. Such is life.


The thing you're not understanding is that jobs need to get done regardless of skill, school, or experience.  You're making it sound like you wouldn't want to do any of those stuff, but regardless the job needs to be done.  Would you rather walk into a warehouse, rummage through boxes to find the groceries you need?  Would you rather constantly be picking up expired dairy products because the grocery clerks weren't there to pull them off the shelves?  Would you rather go to a farm, pick up your veggies, pull them out of the ground and go through a bunch of crop that isn't ready or over grown to eat?  Cause that's what happens when you get rid of people stocking grocery shelves.  These people should be given a livable wage, and to be frank should be given a wage to let them be in middle class (Which is disappearing thanks to corporate america hoarding trillions of dollars).

The other thing too with your engineering statement.  An Engineer is no more important that the workers building the buildings.  Buildings wouldn't exist without the construction companies and the "uneducated" workers puting together the structure.  There's also an issue when no engineer can ever take into consideration unknown quantities that come up during construction and the construction workers need to adapt plans.  As an example; my cousin is an electrician.  He spends a lot of times fixing up drawings because the electrical engineers draw up plans not realizing issues that occur when trying to run wires through certain boxes or areas.  Guess who gets plaid more?  

Now, I agree a person who went through post secondary education should be compensated more but it's not just cut and dry.  A surgeon can operate on you and save your life, but it's the nurses who come at beckon's call to make sure you get better.  Never seen a surgeon come every day to see any patient.  Nurses put in more work why are they compensated less?  People would die just as easily after an operation without nurses.