Will Religion ever be illegal in America?

[o_O.Q]

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

o_O.Q said:

lol ok lets go back through this slowly... this is what i said:

"the point remains that what defines them as christian is the beliefs they have"

This is your reply:

"The only thing irrelevant is your defintion. There is no strict definition on what a Christian is, there are no mandates, its not a set of rules. Its simply a set of beliefs. People who identify as Christians hold those beliefs as their own values, but depending on their own interpretation."

 

"All you're doing is making assumptions about something you don't understand to fit your perogative."

 

lol... so... uh... i'm not understanding your issue with what i said... since... uh... you basically retyped the exact same thing lol

 

"Religions are just a set of beliefs/values, ideas, they are not even physical objects. They cannot do anything. "

Physical objects by themselves generally do absolutely nothing unless some force is applied... so that's kind of pointless to say

what is relevent here is intent... intent is what causes people to interact with their surroundings whether its getting food from your fridge because you're hungry or punching someone because they angered you do you disagree?

assuming you agree we therefore have to ask if someone's beliefs may influence their intent and to me the answer seems quite obvious as a resounding yes but thats me

 

"People might use it to commit any number of atrocities, but it is the people who commited those actions. You don't blame water for tortuting people in water boarding. You don't lock that water in a container and store it underground for 20 years to rehabilitate it. Its fucking water."

Good point but again it leads back to intent why does anyone perform any action? because of their intent which to me is influenced by their beliefs

you don't lock people up based solely on them having physical bodies either do you?... no... you do so because of their actions... which are brought about by their intent...

 

"You say their is a rigid defintion for Christianity, when many Christians don't even regard other Sects as Christian because they don't have the same beliefs. You attempt to frame Christianity and Religion as a whole in a rational sense"

what i said of christiantiy is bascially identical to what you said... as demonstrated above... regardless the point about the different sects as i said previously is completely irrelevent i'm honestly at a loss to why you keep bringing it up lol

 

"The irrationality of this argument is mindboggling, you are effectively trying to tell me that rocks systematically attack people."

Actually quite the opposite what i said was that beliefs influence intent/behavior and i'm guessing that even a 10 year old would be able to grasp that tangible objects like rocks are completely different to intangible concepts like intent and behavior...

the point i've been driving at since the beginning is as you say its absurd to believe that a rock by itself will attack someone but in the hands of someone with a certain intent it could be used as a tool in an attack... 

Look again genius: what defines them as christian is the beliefs they have =/= identify as Christians hold those beliefs as their own values, but depending on their own interpretation.

Christian's are defined as people who identify as Christians, their identification is subjective. Anyone who identifies as christian is christian not solely having that beleif. You can believe/be neutral in belief of a higher power, but not subscribe to any religion, its called agnoticism.

A person is responsible for their intent, hence arrest on the charge of intent to kill. Religion only influences you if you allow it to. If Religion influenced such by knowing about it, every one would be religious.

Point being religion in the hands of ill intent can be used for immoral puposes, it is because of the person using and their intent not the Religion. You have to allow it to influence by believing in it, to even claim that you got the idea from it, but its akin to blame video games for child violence, unless someone forced you to be brainwashed by a Religion. Then its the fault of the brainwasher.

"Christian's are defined as people who identify as Christians, their identification is subjective"

a christian or theist in a broader sense is considered to be someone who has a specific set of beliefs and thats the long and short of it 

now from their you can get more abtract or specific if you'd with regards to sects or denominations or whatever ( which is pretty much irrelevent to my point as i stated ) but the fact remains that this is what identifies a theist as a theist their beliefs its pretty damn simple to me

 

"Religion only influences you if you allow it to"

quite right and i never said otherwise i suppose it could be said that those who allow religion to influence them are religious or theist in some cases ( duh ) and those who choose to disregard it are atheist ( duh again )

 

"it is because of the person using and their intent not the Religion"

so therefore hiring an assassin should be ok? Since the assassin could choose to not carry out the killing correct? therefore the client is absolved of all responsibility