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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
o_O.Q said:

...lol are you sure you read what I posted? When did I say christianity causes slavery?

A need for cheap labor causes slavery in quite sure no one denies that 

For someone who is wrong quite often you're very aggressive lol calm done brother have a brandy or something 

"considering that Christianity was one of the tools used by the slavers in the first place to pacify the enslaved and also to justify the act of slavery in the first place 

You might want to research that 

Another interesting tidbit is that the bible does not abhor slavery "

Are you sure you want to do this? 

I mean you stated that Christianity was used by slavers as pacification, justification for slavery you are implying causation.

Not to mention, you haven't provided evidence, instead you've said there are many written accounts, despite the fact that you haven't cited any of that vast amount of information.

You also say that Christinaity doesn't abhor slavery implying that it supports it rather, than understanding the fact that around the time that the bible was written, slavery was commonplace and not seen as an injustice for the most part. Its not like the Bible advocates slavery.

And even if it did, free will exists, the fact that people are claiming to reject it and religion in general purports that idea, so it stands to reason that humans can make a choice to accept whatever values they want and if they commit crimes in the name of those values then its the person who commited the crimes and accepted the values who is the problem and not the values themselves.

And FYI, this: "This worst part of this argument is that few on either side are rational or even understand what these terms mean.

Fallacies and generalizations all over the place, its frankly disgusting, but don't mind me I'm just commenting." was in response to the entire thread including you, not just your petty squabble. I mean germans killed Jews at one point in history, should we punish all germans because of it? 


Uh... So therefore you acknowledge that I didn't say that... Ok that's good what I posted was quite clear whatever further inferences you make are all on you

 

As for evidence that's what Google is for

 

And finally the point about free will leads back to what I just said about values influencing behavior 

 

Sure you may have free will but if you're following values with the understanding that should you choose to reject them you will be punished and that those values are the only way to live your life

 

You're going to be coerced into making certain decisions based on those values that should be obvious... So ultimately what I'm saying is that as a theist no you do not have free will under certain conditions