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oniyide on 29 June 2014
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Arius Dion said:
oniyide said:
Arius Dion said:
When Nintendo is on their game, they can support a console single handed. They don't need thirds. The other Console makers aren't game companies therefore, they are entirely reliant on third parties. This is no more evident than last gen.

Third Parties actually fucked over Sega too (though Sega's boneheaded decisions contributed greatly to their downfall) But Sega was similar to Nintendo in that they were dedicated hardware/software makers. This isn't what thirds want. They want leverage. M$ lack of a first party, and Sony's lack of a substantial first party is ideal for them.

Naw you only got half of it right. Truth is 3rd parties were never big on Sega especially Japanese publishers which is ironic. SNES got WAY better support than Genesis did. 

ANd frankly this whole 3rd parties want leverage argument is just based on paranoid fanboyism. 3rd parties dont care that a first party title does better. Lets not be silly. Halo moves big numbers thats not stopping anyone from putting games on xbox. 3rd parties just want systems they can sell there games on, that simply isnt the WIi u right now.

We'll agree to disagree. But you've only got it half right, Sega got better western support than Nintendo during those days, but the fact is because Sega, like Nintendo, had a strong first party, thirds weren't as prevalent on either console.

Paranoid fanboyism? Dude, please, I'm too old for that. I'm sure you know I've been on Nintendo fans shit list since this gen began because of my opinions on Wii U.

Again this is circular, they don't care as long as Nintendo isn't in the equation. M$ and Sony are largely interchangeable, hence why when one does well the other falters. And if thirds didn't care which first party does better, why then do they use the excuse that they can't compete with Nintendo games on Nintendo systems?

They do want leverage, especially if given a choice. Sony and M$ CANNOT survive without third parties, the best selling games on their platforms are never their own. This is a precarious position to be in as a console maker. Just ask Sega. 

ok fair enough. 

I dont they care much about Nintendo because for a lot of 3rd parties they are not a factor for them. The excuse they use sounds much better than "we just dont want to do it" or "our games dont sell on Ninty consoles" at the end of the day the reasons why that is not important. I mean 3rd parties did fine on SNES and NES. I dont agree that one falters the other does. Not really true. I agree that they dont care if that happens. PS360 are going to end up selling about the same. PS4 is whupping xone, but that doesnt mean it is faltering, still doing better than WIi U. 

Yes Sony and MS cant survive without them. I dont think its a precarious position, because unlike Sega 3rd parties from both sides of the pond have no problem supporting both systems. Hell I woudl say Sega had the same issues Ninty is having now not establising good relations.