Why Mario Kart 8 didn't save the WiiU

[oniyide]

padib said:

oniyide said:

thats not what you said, all you listed was a bunch of games that didnt even make sense. Now we can have a discussion. Now your argument is that games like Metroid, Smash etc exist on other consoles which is why N64 and Cube got stomped. Wrong. What equilvalent did PS2 and xbox have that was like Metroid. Dont say Halo they arent even in the same genre. Smash bros? you really are stretching. There wasnt a game like that till PSASB and that was PS3/Vita. Fact is ALL systems share the same genres, it has been like that for years. DIDnt stop SNES from beating Genesis.

THe irony is the only time when a system truly was different was...with the Wii. But that had more to do with the controller that ALLOWED them to have very different games. Soon as Sony and MS got thier own motion crap it stopped being uniqe. Whats funny is the Wii ended up missing a few genres. (WRPGs) and the genres they did get like PS360 sold much worse by virtue of them being...much worse.

Now on to WIi U they have yet to differiante themselves which is why they are losing. MAtter of fact no. they HAVE but the difference is something people dont care about. YOu cant be different jsut for the sake of being different that wont work. Which is why again Wii U is losing. If they havent been able to show that difference between the others with a YEAR headstart, they arent going to now, lets not lie to ourselves. Quote me. What games are comign that are going to be different enough to make a difference. MK8 didnt do it? Hell there are other kart racers on other systems. and that is there biggest franchise so far. Smash? Maybe. But that didnt help 64 or GC and Sony can still do a followup to their Smash clone. Zelda? dont come out till next year and it has never saved anything.

That's not what I said, hey? And you're notorious for following conversations? I think not.

It is not wrong, games like Metroid were bought by the same people as those who bought Castlevania, Metroid, Final Fantasy, most users who then migrated to the Playstation as the proper successor to the SNES. We know that by virtue of the games that released on the Playstation. They follow-up on that same kind of content and audience.

The only fact that we know is that Nintendo beat the Playstation (not Sega, but Sony's playstation) with two main consoles: the DS (and 3DS) and the Wii. What is there in common with those two consoles? I explained it, it's the games. Your argument on differentiating themselves has nothing to do with the final goal, which is to release games which are appealing and fun, which are new and can attract a market. The U hasn't achieved that because the volume of such games is not enough. I feel like I keep repeating myself. Sure a few games are out but it's not enough to sell the U.

There are other racers out there, what kind of crap argument is that Oni. Back when Mario Kart Wii came out there were also other kart racers out there but they couldn't hold a candle to MK's sales.

As for Smash, Sony's Smash clone can't hold a candle to Nintendo's Smash title. The series is on track to sell 10m if the other entries are any indicator. PASBR sold what 1m?  Who cares about it that's a horrible argument. Sure Smash alone is not enough, I agree with you. That doesn't change the fact that it is one more needed game in a mosaic that needs to be produced in order for Nintendo to replicate the DS success.

Until you see that picture you will never understand my argument.

A mosaic of games ... to replicate ... the DS success. Every other thing I said in this thread holds on that simple concept and theory of Nintendo's (yet unfulfilled) strategy.

Final Fantasy isnt even in the same genre as Metroid or Castlevania. What are you talking about? There was no Metroid equvilant on PS2 or Xbox. Tell me what they were? No its not Castlevania all the PS3/box games were 3d ones. Nothing to do wiht each other.

Ok fair enough. And im telling you they are NOT going to release enough games to make a difference, tehy had a year headstart, what were they doing? Again you can quote me.

As for MK im not talking about sales. MK was always the best seller. Hell even back in N64 days and PS1 still destroyed  it. PS2 same with Cube. What effect will it have on Wii U? Not much, not enough to change course, we are already seeing that as its way below 100k already.

Oh i understand. I just think you're wrong. This may sound harsh but there isnt anything coming out for Wii U that is going to drastically change things, if im wrong you can bring this up