Nirvana_Nut85 said:
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I have proven that it is a majority; I’ve given you numerous examples, something you’ve failed to do. You want links; here you go http://www.futureshop.ca/ , http://www.bestbuy.com/. Go look through their websites and if you have eyes you will notice the trend or as I stated the majority. I’m not sure how things work over in Japan but this is the trend in North America. Nintendo attempted to follow this trend and took the correct steps in minimally changing the design which as I stated was not wrong. Their marketing of the Wii U as a brand new console was. Anyone who puts a Wii and a Wii U together can easily come to this conclusion that they are not the same console. Its funny how you complain about me proving points (when I in fact do) yet all you have provided is an opinion and nothing to back up your argument.
You’re completely and utterly wrong. Explain why Sony chose a similar design for Vita as it did for the PSP and Nintendo for 3DS as the DS? Sony had the right idea but failed to execute as they chose a terrible name (should have been PSP2) and on top of that had no games. 3DS is nearing 45 million in sales. Microsoft had to create a bulky design due to the giant fan in the console. Do you not think they would have cut costs as I stated earlier and designed it similar to the 360? Sony’s PS4 as many have pointed out has similar features of the PS2. Minimal changes are needed in the design of a console.
Your reasoning makes no sense and does not apply to what I’ve been stating, but nice try. Proof is non a rare thing. It is common unless coming from a debate on your side of the spectrumJ. If you would have paid attention, to what I stated about car regulations, you would have clearly noticed that I included off road vehicles. Also that does not apply to the design of a vehicle. Please try doing some proper research and read what is in your links before posting. It would do you some good!
No I firmly believe in it and anyone who was born with English as their first language can easily determine that you have an “extremely” difficult time formulating sentences in our language and should refrain from doing so. You claim you were told this but there is no proof to this J Your sentences do not reflect correct English grammar, plain and simple and I sure as hell am not lying about it. It’s not cheap as you clearly do not understand and your responses are all over the place.
By denying this you are only fooling yourself. You are clearly not knowledgeable in the field of marketing and the psychology of the casual consumer. I’ve taken business courses in school and am aware of how the naming of a consumer good is significant and can impact a product positively/negatively. You have to understand that you are providing an opinion that is not based on fact. You do not have any firm examples to give that explain why the Wii U would not have better consumer recognition if it was named Wii 2. You do not have knowledge of North American markets and what drives sales.
I honestly think that you do not fully believe in your argument. You’re upset that you have been proven wrong and think that you will somehow fatigue me by writing paragraphs of illogical banter, well, unfortunately for you I live in Canada. I’m use to debating stubborn Frenchmen who will argue till they are blue in the face even when they know they’re wrong!
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I will show how much it doesn't make sense.
1 - I tell you that you can't compare cars and console, because cars have a hell lot of constraints.
You prove it's false, because car like console have no constraints.
2 - I tell you that design of console still change because it matters to make a new product.
You prove it's false, and the reason for XBox One is to have the constraint of a big fan.
It's the same or not ? What are you talking about ? Why a fan is a constraint but not a regulation on a seat you have to comply to ?
Do you believe mainstream cars have more constraints than car in general ?
I'm telling constraints matters. And constraints on controls and screen for the psp vista limits design make it similar even to the game gear. That's what I'm also telling about the iphone. Do you believe in the force of gravity ?
You give your background, I'm programmer and studied logic and mathematics. You are absolutely outside the scientific notion of proof, and outside logic. You don't understand the concept. Again, do you believe in "if A doesn't do B, then A proves B is insignificant in other case" ? That's plain logic.
Proof is hard to make outside of science, most writers would not . If someone could prove "new design are irrelevant", there would not be a single new design. Except for constraints. That car don't have, according to you.
About English, I will not provide personal information for proof. By the way, if I can't understand and can't write English that makes sense, what are you answering to ?
What are you talking about marketing ? You seem to believe it's a self-explanatory silver bullet. Why would companies spend on product development if it was ? Same shit again with a superb marketing, does it work ? Can you blame the product for a bad marketing ?
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Once again, you fail prove to your point.
1. No, you claimed that I did not provide enough examples to distinguish my factual statement of how in this day and age; design has become irrelevant as companies only make minor changes while providing an assortment of features as the selling point. So I added the auto industry and proved that although they have the ability to be much more creative, for the past while all designs have seen little change.
2. Yes, there is absolutely no way the current Xbone hardware would have fitted in the shape of the 360. If it could they could have provided minor implications like Nintendo did for the Wii U and it would still sell the same amount as it currently has.
You are asking questions that are for the most part irrelevant to the discussion. What the hell does the regulation size of a seat have to do with anything we`ve discussed. You’re completely going off track with this one. Stick to the main part of the argument thank you. I will briefly respond by saying due to being able to move the seating at different levels and different distance between passenger and driver, the only constrain is having the actual seat, again, if it is driving on the road.
Terrible example. This was not very well thought out. Explain why the 3DS and the DS do not even remotely resemble the gamegear. Who said Vita needs buttons? Sony could have gone touch for all of the game play or they could have implemented motion control. Different screen sizes or make it similar to a tablet but they didn`t. This is the current trend in electronics and other industries that you are failing to properly observe (even though it has been pointed out to you numerous times)
Well wherever you went to school, clearly the education system failed you because you’re not applying any logic to this argument and when addressed in regards to this you jump to a different subject matter. I have a degree in business marketing. I am aware of trends and the psychology of the casual consumer. You’re also misconstruing my words. The Wii U is a newly designed console. The Apple iPad iterations are newly designed. The fact of the matter is that drastic design is irrelevant, there will always be minor changes which is enough for the general consumer to distinguish as long as there is sufficient marketing of the product to distinguish the difference between the old product and new. I have proven this to you by providing examples. It is not my problem if you do not have the capacity to understand this.
Yes your English at times is hard to understand, which is why I advised a lot of your paragraphs do not make sense. I am responding to what I believe you are attempting to say and ignoring the rest.
Product development is mainly focused on the internal parts and making them work accordingly. The product itself has to be appealing to the consumer. I never said there were not bad products out their but the Wii U is not one of them. Minor changes in the actual design of the product are acceptable to the general consumer if the product has sufficient new features and is marketed accordingly. If we were to use your logic then alot of electronics manufacturers, etc would be bankrupt.
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