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Frogger on 22 May 2014
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S.T.A.G.E. said:
spemanig said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
spemanig said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Nintendo needs western third party. That is their problem. They dont need western first party. Look at what western first party did for Sony in Japan. As far as sales are concerned being alienated by western tastes has caused the Japanese primarily to only look to Nintendo for specific games.

Nintendo needs to open their mind to third party and get back to the business of being competitive instead of being as ignorant as they always were. If they cant work with them they will continue to have these issues.


That's not true at all. The Japanese are moving away from consoles, not from Sony. Even then, Sony makes primerily western games now which is not what I'm suggesting. I'm saying Nintend needs to add western IP.

And no, Nintendo doesn't need 3rd party. 3rd party games will never sell on a Nintendo console until they have exclusive IP that will lure in that same audience. It's the reason why literally every single western 3rd party game has positively flopped on the Wii U. There's no audience. Nintendo needs to force that audience on to their consoles by giving them amazing games of that style they want, that they literally can't and will never get anywhere else but on Nintendo. That's what Sony does with Uncharted, TLoU, God of War, Killzone, InFamous, Little Big Planet, Jak & Daxter, Ratchet & Clank, Sly Cooper, Heavenly Sword, and Resistance. That's what Microsoft does with Halo, Gears of War, Fable, Forza, Crackdown, Viva Piniata, Quantum Break, and Perfect Dark along with exclusive deals with games like Bioshock, Sunset Overdrive, Titanfall, Call of Duty, and Mass Effect. Compared to that, Nintendo doesn't compete. In the west. 


The Japanese will still buy consoles if they appeal to them. The Wii U has yet to have anything and Sony keeps looking at the west for profit instead of realizing Japan is there. Microsoft...well..they have no shot. I was alluding to the fact earlier than japan is turning to Nintendo . When I say Nintendo I am primarily focusing on the DS. Why might you ask? The DS has not changed from classic Nintendo sensibilities and harkens back to the days when Nintendo had proper support from all parties.

All Nintendo needs is third party and they could have the west in their hands. Third party is much more important than you think and play a large role in why Microsoft and Sony have success in the first place. Nintendos first party sales on popular consoles put both brands to shame, so first party is NOT the problem. 

Nintendo couldn't get to 40 million with the N64...even with great second party from western developer Rare. GoldenEye, Killer Instinct, Conker, Banjo Kazooie and more did not change a thing. 

Sony still trouned them to death with what kids?

Try to figure out what caused Nintendos sales to drop from SNES levels to N64 levels. Look it up and get back to me.

Sony's sales were inflated by the CD player as just like the Wii was with it's motion controls.

Western IPs weren't Nintendo's problem back then. It was an era where games like Crash and Spyro could still generate mass profit. It's not like that anymore. Times have changed and so has the gaming market. The Japanese want handhelds and the west want western appealing games. Nintendo needs that in the form of exclusives. The 360 fell off once it stopped providing exclusives. Nintendo's Wii U is like that except it didn't already lure 80m in the beginning with exclusives that appealed to the west.

Nintendo doesn't need 3rd party. They need new first party western exclusive IPs.

Your logic brings them to the N64 predicament. If quality exclusive games from the west not proving a damn thing to help them says anything look no further than the N64. 

The problem is third party. Without third party Sony and Microsoft would've lost 60-70% of their fanbase.


"Western IPs weren't Nintendo's problem back then."

No it doesn't.