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kowenicki said:

 The ps4 as a device won't be profitable but since Sony introduced a sub service that users pretty much have to have they are profiting... Of course. They should have done it with the ps3. 


Not really.

Sony knew better than to ask money for a terrible service that it was when it launched and couldn't ask for it halfway through the generation either. ps+ was a good start to warm up to the idea of paying for it and now with the ps4 was the perfect time to enforce/introduce it. I strongly believe that free multiplayer/internet services saved the ps3 from getting annihilated from 360. If I had a penny for every time I read someone mentioning free multiplayer as a reason they went with ps3 over  360, I'd be able to afford a ps4 at the moment.