What do you think you have to do to get to Heaven?

[Final-Fan]

Kasz216 said:

Andir said:

kenzomatic said:

Kasz216 said:
I don't know. Let's put it this way. Lets say you had a really strong feeling that if someone ate a cheeseburger for lunch today he would die by choking to death.

If he doesn't eat the cheeseburger, you feel better, he hasn't choked to death. You don't know if he would have but at least he didn't.

Now lets say you warn him, and he eats the cheezeburger anwyay. You feel bad. But at least you tried. So you feel less guilty.

Now lets say you don't warn him, and he eats the cheezeburger anyway. He's dead... and you feel like a dick for not going with your instincts.

That's pretty much why many christians argue about religion as such.

Either they convince and convert someone, and either they go to heaven, or just die like the would as non christians.

Don't but try, and can be a little consoled that they tried to save said person from Hell.

Or feel like a jerk that they didn't do anything, even though they knew for a fact they were headed for eternal torment.

That is the greatest explination ever!!!!!

You get like thousand cool points for that and I only usually hand out in increments of 10.

So, it's like being that annoying guy who will walk around to every table in a restaurant and warn everyone in the room that they might choke on a cheeseburger so they feel better if any one of them chokes? You better get started warning people then. It's going to be a LONG road to be able to talk to the billions of people in this world and warn them about cheeseburgers.

That's a horrible analogy. For one, it's based on something tangible. You can see and hear someone choking. You base this on experience from the past. You can't see and hear someone going to heaven. If you could, you could record it on video and post it on youtube for everyone else to see and hear.

Also, I've been hearing a lot of evidence that religion (organized and personal) is driven by guilt and fear more than happiness and love. Not a very healthy outlook on life or your so called greater being. I don't know about you, but I hate being a slave, or a pet who is afraid of getting smacked down by his master for barking or running off. Also, you're pointing out that it's based on feeling, which again... If you've ever been around women can be completely uncomprehensible. (...and I don't mean that as an attack toward women, but the fact is, the sexes have a hard time understanding each other because of "feelings")

First Paragraph) Yeah it's kinda like that, but hey at least you don't feel like a dick. Me i don't argue for or against the existance of god. I don't see the point. All the info is there so i'm not going to feel guilty one way or another. All the Athesits i've known personally grew up under strict religious teaching anyway and were always complaining about how much it sucks. I would however argue against the idea that science disproves god and attempt to convince people who think otherwise due to the fact it's just poor reasoning.

God is actually a fairly sceintific thing believe it or not, as all scientists come up with theories for things before they're discovered. I mean just look at the Idea of "Ether" or many other ideas. Sometiems they're right, sometimes they're not. It's all up for interpretation until you find proof one way or another.

Second Paragraph) It's not a horrible analogy, you could eat 100 cheeseburgers and not choke. In this case you feel someone will definitly choke if he eats a cheeseburger. If you want you could compare it to anything though. To wearing red the next day and feeling people will give you 10 dollars. So long as you have a strong feeling about something you are wearing. Or weaing blue and and alien from another planet is going to give you the power to fart yogurt. Either way, if the feeling is strong enough or consequences dire enough you are going to do something to avoid feeling like a dick.

Third Paragraph) i have no clue what your talking about when you say when you are saying that the sexes have a hard time understanding each other due to the sexes... explination would be helpful, I don't have any harder a time relating to women then men myself.

(1)  God is NOT scientific at all.  Those theories you mentioned were theories about the way the universe is or functions that were testable and verifiable/falsifiable.  In the case of "Ether" and in many other cases the theories were proven wrong.  God is also a theory about the way the universe is and functions, but it is NOT testable or falsifiable.  Science is built on the foundation of doing stuff, seeing if it came out the way you thought it would, and trying to explain discrepancies if it doesn't.  You can't do that with God. 

(2)  @ Andir:  told ya so. 

(3)  You're probably the exception to the rule, then.  But I think that's getting off topic.