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mysteryman on 11 May 2014
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ps4tw said:
mysteryman said:

You keep going off on tangents. We're talking about high-selling games (not) having broad appeal (and how it somehow only applies to Nintendo).

There  were of plenty of NFS titles on the Wii, but more importantly kart-racers which directly compete with Mario Kart, which contradicts your argument that there was no competition. Sonic Racing sold very well, and was a quality title. Also, ExciteTruck didn't exactly set any sales records, it's a casual racing Nintendo title, why weren't all the Nintendo fans buying that in droves?

Your argument seems now to be, that casuals bought Mario Kart Wii, but this would completely contradict your previous argument, as this implies that the game has broad appeal.


It's not a tangent but you aren't appreciating how it's not as black and white as you claim it is.

Oh come on, any self respecting gamer wouldn't get a NFS game on the Wii - watered down piss-poor ports. And by karters you mean shovelware karting games? Casuals did buy MK Wii, something I've always said, because there was no other genuine competition - you have to remember these casuals have no idea about gaming, releases etc, therefore with the Wii, Nintendo titles were always going to dominate over 3rd market games. They didn't buy MK because they thought it was the best karting game and loved Mario, they bought it because it was probably the only racing game they knew about for the Wii and had good social aspects. 

However, if we remove the casuals from the equation because they don't care about the WiiU, then that means the only people who will buy MK 8 are the die hard Nintendo fans, which are the ones who already have a WiiU - it'll be SB for the GC all over again.

You label buyers of Wii NFS titles as "non-self-respecting gamers", and buyers of Mario Kart Wii as "casuals"; aren't these the same group? Even according to your logic, there would still be competition for racing games, as it is the same group of people buying them. And I didn't realise that Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing was shovelware.

There's a lot of guess work going on here for someone that calls out others for the same. Don't be a hypocrite.

Again, the argument you made was that a game without broad appeal could sell over 9 million copies, but you have failed to give an example. You claim that "casual gamers" don't count, but it is they who prove the broad appeal.

Then you use the logical fallacy of denying the antecedent, that a game that doesn't sell well can't have broad appeal, to try and show other entries of the Mario Kart series don't have broad appeal. This does not take into account other factors that could lead to not purchasing the game, despite any appeal.