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QuintonMcLeod on 02 May 2014
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vivster said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
vivster said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

This survey loses all creditability now. They only include "employed" people, because majority of those unemployed are living out in the streets in boxes. Some of those people were laid off enmasse by some of these Japanese corporations. If the survey included the unemployed, many of those companies wouldn't even been on the list.

Please do go on how much impact these 40 people would've had on this poll.

I'll even ignore the fact that there is no way to "outvote" a company with that kind of list.

Sorry. You confused me. What 40 people?

The survey doesn't include the unemployed - which makes up a hefty sum of individuals in Japan.

Outvoting a company? I never made that claim... Did you quote the wrong person? I don't think you were trying to quote me.

Japan has an unemployment rate of 4% which in an unbiased sample of 1000 people would be about 40. Those would hardly have an impact on the overall results of this poll.

And how would it be then that some of these companies wouldn't be on the list? Certainly the top 10 in this list wouldn't change one bit.


To use the 4% as a way of saying, "Oh, it's only just 40 people" is very misleading. The point to the matter is, if the unemployed were included in the survey, the results would be different. This is a very basic concept of surveys. 

Surveys have multiple factors which can skewer their results: The particular area the survey is conducted, the number of people surveyed, the particular questions asked, and etc. Removing the unemployed from the survey removes a huge factor that would most certainly change that list, despite how low unemployement is in Japan.

Same goes for the United States. If you conduct a survey asking people their opinions about a particular show, you will get one set of results. If your survey only survyed, for example, white Americans, then your results will differ if you were to include minorities. African Americans only make up around 15 - 20% of the total population. If, for example again, you were to include African Americans in your survey about a particular show, it will change the results on your survey, even though the majority of your respondants are white Americans. 

Do you understand? The survey purposefully excluding a particular group of people (for no good reason) makes this survey bias and misleading, because it doesn't include _all_ people.