The truth about Nintendo

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Final-Fan said:

1.  No, I said, essentially, 'yes, they may emulate real fighting techniques, but they also have ridiculous crap like Ivy's chain sword etc.', which segues into a more general point about the relative levels of realism in both games.  But even concentrating on just the fighting techniques, I ADDRESSED YOUR POINTS, and you just dismissed it. 

As for the MDM challenge:  "Nintendo has made more profit off of games than Sony or Microsoft." 

I also have a bonus challenge in mind, but it's only for after you're completely done fulfilling your challenge on the above statement.  "The fact that Nintendo is completely reliant on video game sales as a company suggests it has more at stake concerning the well-being and future of the video game industry than either Microsoft or Sony, and therefore more reason to care about it." 

Nice! Let me try:

1st - No, that's a blatant lie. Nintendo has made more money while depreciating some intangible assets like the goodwill of gamers to buy their products, which is now very low and that's why Wii U doesn't sell. Therefore, Nintendo has made less profit than Sony, which continues to have acceptance among gamers.

2nd - That's also a blatant lie. First, Nintendo has been selling many hardware peripherals, which are only videogame sales in your opinion. Second, even if that was true, Sony's and Microsoft's other divisions are also reliant on videogames. How will PC Windows sell when there is no games? How will Bravia TVs sell when there is no consoles? Third, Sony and Microsoft have not yet recovered everything they have invested on videogaming and thus they have more at stake regarding the future of this market than Nintendo, which has already segregated huge amounts of wealth into a safe place.

It's so easy to be on this side of the fence

 

Final-Fan said:

2a.  First, when do you say music became an "established form of art", and what is your evidence for that claim?  Second, where is your evidence that instrumental music predates V+I music in the "established art" form? 

As for me, I would expect that both of them have been "established forms of art" since practically the dawn of civilization, or at least of comparable antiquity, along with vocal-only art.  But I will not claim this is actually the case based only on my guess, never mind that it's an educated guess. 

I haven't. But I think it was obvious. I wouldn't consider casual events with no relevance as part of an era when we had already music.

Regarding your 2nd question, I have no evidence about that. I was taking it as common sense. Now I'm digging a bit and finding that it may not be the truth. I admit I may be wrong on that one.

Nevertheless, in videogames I think it's obvious which came first.

 

Final-Fan said:

2b.  I didn't base that assertion on my opinion of those types of music, but rather logic.  Consider: 
–Since I+V music is, in fact, I PLUS V, doesn't it stand to reason that if you take out all the complexity in the V part, the I-only remains will be likely to be less complex than I-only music that still has all of its complexity and was DESIGNED to be complete by itself while the I-minus-V music wasn't? 
–Doesn't it stand to reason that the more components are in something, the more complexity can be achieved?  Nintendo's orchestral music would therefore have much more potential complexity than a rock band with less than a dozen people in it (including the singer). 

You are disregarding the fact that some music tracks may be, in essence, more complex than others and therefore the "designed to be complete" may not make much sense to apply. What is "complete" to an artist may not be to another. Instrumental-only music may be, in general, more empty than vocal music. To claim it isn't it's just your opinion unless to present evidence.

 

Final-Fan said:

3.  Dammit.  The same thing applies:  you don't perceive the COMMITMENT of Nintendo.  Do you honestly think it's cheap to hire an entire ORCHESTRA?!  No, this is too distracting.  Never mind.

Yes, I do. They showed commitment by hiring an entire orchestra for Mario Galaxy. That is something already. Yet, it's just a small detail among the huge Nintendo world of practices and business decisions.