The truth about Nintendo

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sundin13 said:

1. As I have already said, there is nothing wrong with a weaker console. I have made my point multiple times but you continue to assert that a weaker console is inherently bad and yet you champion the PS2 as if it some god amongst peasants. When Nintendo does it they are screwing third parties but when Sony does it they are heralded as the savior of yore! Er, sorry, got a little carried away, but c'mon man, look at your bias!

I've just answered your question (how has the Wii attracted shovelware). You say there's nothing wrong with that. That's fine by me, but I have a different perspective, that's all.

Nintendo has screwed 3rd parties because of many many points I've mentioned on the entire section 2 of the OP...and only 1 of them is creating a significantly weaker console than competition, which neither Sony nor Microsoft have ever made. Wii is 1 gen behind X360 and PS3. WiiU is 1 gen behind XOne and PS4. PS1 was not 1 gen behind N64. PS2 was not 1 gen behind GC. Am I being biased for that? I think I'm not.

And this is one tiny part of the whole section 2 (harming developers). Please read it and tell me if you don't perceive a difference between Nintendo and Sony/Microsoft.

 

sundin13 said:

2. 2.2 once again asserts that weaker consoles are inherently EVIL. Also you seem to have missed the fact that Nintendo are actually doing quite brilliantly with indies right about now. So yeah, Nintendo has created a friendly ecosystem for developers on the Wii U.

Please show me evidence. Not that it erases Nintendo's bad practices, but it would be already a start.

 

sundin13 said:

3. You didn't really say much in this point...You blame Nintendo for the shovelware saying that they set the example but if that was true, we would have seen more great, creative and intuitive games that followed Nintendo's example on the Wii and Wii U...You give Nintendo too much blame for things that aren't really their fault...

Setting the example is just one of the several points I've made there. Why do you ignore most of what I say so that you won't get the right message? Are you willing to really debate the points I've made or you just want to break my arguments into small little pieces and spin-off whatever you get from there?

 

sundin13 said:

5. You really cap this one off with a coup de grace of ridiculous @.@

Yes, how can anyone see that the fact that budgets have skyrocketed leading to one mistake being all it takes to wipe an otherwise wonderful developer out? How could anyone see an atmosphere that discourages experimentation by making it so new IPs are too much of a risk while doing the same thing as everyone else is almost a much more likely way to profit. Look up any article about how destructive the AAA market is and educate yourself before preaching some "truth" that is about as objective as the laymen's opinions...
Look at the fact that Nintendo repeatedly makes some of the most highly rated games before saying they are "lowering standards"...You seem to be fixated on your opinion that weaker consoles (when Nintendo makes them) are evil but there is no truth to that. You want to hate on shovelware, hate the people making it.

I will only say it again: a highly powerful hardware allows low powerful games, a low powerful hardware does not allow highly powerful games. Freedom means developers are free to do whatever they want.

Furthermore, a more powerful console is more expensive to design and to produce. No only your argument is false (devs have indeed all the freedom to do whatever they want on the powerful PS4 and XOne) but also Nintendo is not opting by producing less powerful consoles to protect devs, it's just to protect their own pockets.

 

sundin13 said:
Nobody expected the Wii to take off like it did and Nintendo was just doing what they had to to keep themselves alive.

Just to keep themselves alive?? Please, look at reality: http://i.imgur.com/vXo7Z.png?1

 

sundin13 said:
The market cannot support three identacle console manufacturers. Even Sony has said that Nintendo is good for the industry and Nintendo brings a lot of new consumers in and the "shovelware" games on every console helps to fund bigger, more ambitious projects. You need to see the whole picture. The market without Nintendo is not a market I would like to see and I quite frankly find it appalling that anyone would wish for it...

Yes it can. Consoles could even be all the same. We only need diversification on software, and even that doesn't mean there must be poor games. I know it's hard to imagine, but it would be possible to make a AAA Mario game. Nintendo has the resources and the talent to do that. They just lack of willingness.

 

sundin13 said:
EDIT: @ Below post: Oh no! A business is greedy! Oh wait...thats pretty much every business ever. Like I said, most of those points haven't been relevant for a long time so why should I care about them now? Especially when the guys who ran the company back then aren't around anymore (RIP Yamauchi). The market was a very different place back then too...those points just aren't relevant.

It's not the business that is greedy, it's a specific company in comparison to the others.

 

sundin13 said:
EDIT2: @ Region Lock: Region lock is largely a practice employed because of third parties and licensing rights...just sayin' that you keep yelling about how Nintendo is terrible to third parties and then you attack region lock...seems kinda silly to me. Here is a link, educate yourself: http://aussie-gamer.com/article/why-region-locking-is-good-for-video-games/

The arguments presented in there are laughable. I would be ashamed of posting such a link and say "educate yourself". Please, they even claim that squeezing a market is a good thing.

Sony and Microsoft also work with 3rd parties and licensing rights and they don't need region lock. Why? Please tell me why.

Those are only excuses and false arguments to stand for a shameful business practice.