The truth about Nintendo

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sundin13 said:

I would like to ask you, how exactly is this Nintendo's fault and what should they have done about it.

They have created a weaker console (previous gen tech) instead of merging the innovative Motion tech with a cutting-edge power system.

 

sundin13 said:

Lets go back a while to the GC era. Third parties and gamers both said to Nintendo "we wont support your system even if it is powerful enough". So Nintendo try a different strategy, they try to innovate and they try to make money off of the hardware. They suceed with flying colors, moreso than anybody could have expected. Now what?

Nintendo has never created a friendly environment for developers. Look at the 2.2 section of the OP for example. Major developers can't experiment their AAA games on a deal with such an amateur and egocentric partner. Everything has a reason behind. Things don't happen randomly.

 

sundin13 said:

How can you blame Nintendo for any of this? If you want to blame someone, blame the 3rd parties who release the shovelware. nintendo does something that is arguable good for this industry and 3rd parties abuse it. Why throw all of the blame on Nintendo for the decisions other companies have made? You are making your point on why shovelware is bad (although I disagree with you) but not why this is Nintendos fault.

Easy, I can blame Nintendo because I can compare them with the other console makers and see that the same business, the same environment, the same 3rd parties don't do on PlayStation or Xbox what they do on Nintendo consoles. The console philosophy is defined by the console maker, the console architecture is designed by them too, the first games (that will show how to use the console) are created by them too. The entire console ecosystem is initiated by them. 3rd parties just add on top of that. Are them to blame too? Sure. But comparing what is comparable: console maker against console maker, then Nintendo is to blame simply because they do and create and promote what Sony and Microsoft don't.

 

sundin13 said:

EDIT: Also, there are plenty of good, great or amazing games on the Wii. You are implying above that it is only shovelware on Wii when you say that with the PS2 "there is shovelware, but there is much more than that, you can find plenty of good games".

No, I am implying that Wii is dominated by shovelware whereas the PS2 isn't. Both have great games, everybody knows that.

 

sundin13 said:

EDIT2: I would also like to add about your last point, where you say "Nintendo creates an environment that encourages shovelware", Sony and MS support an environment that encourages supremely high budget games that lead developers into bankruptcy. Neither are bad models but if you see all the evil in one, you have to see the evil in both...There is as much a possibility of making AAA games on Nintendo hardware as there is of making shovelware on Sony hardware. Once again, the blame is being misplaced and there is a clear bias...

I've made a very good point but, again, I don't agree with you. The way I see it, Sony and Microsoft create an environment that encourages remarkable games, regardless they are high or low budget. And that is a very good thing. Which devs go bankrupt? Those that spent a lot making an unappealing product. That is rasing up the standards in the benefit of gamers. How could anyone see that as a bad thing?

On the other hand, when we see Nintendo lowering those very same standards...