Which fanbase is worse? FFVII Diehards vs Genwunner

[Trentonater]

NoCtiS_NoX said:

Trentonater said:

NoCtiS_NoX said:

1. That's the whole point this certain fans doesn't like their precious older or mainly FF VI being compared to FF VII. Like I said it's like poison for them. I have seen a lot of these guys attacking a poster that post "FF VII is the best FF". You'll see a barrage of posters attacking FF VII and the guy.

As for it isn't the same series. Please the only difference is, FF VII and FFVIII are just in 3D but it still plays the same. Random battles, ATB system, the battle menu consist of Attack, Magic, Summon and Items. 

2. With my experience. I haven't seen any FF VII guys hating on any other FF besideds FF VII.

3. I think you misunderstood me. A true fan never hates but gives constructive criticism. I liked FF XIII but I still critized it. 

1. FFVII and VIII represented the near total abandonment of the series' Dungeons and Dragons roots and the popularization of the jrpg aesthetic that everyone is sick of now. It isn't unreasonable for such people to dislike FFVII or call it overrated. After all, they see another as better yet VII is the only one that gets general recognition.

 

2. Just your experiences are in no way indicative of the whole or what other people may experience.

3. Nobody has the same definition of a true fan. All those in the fanbase are a fan no matter what. Why should a fan not be allowed to hate something they dislike from a series they do like?

1. Abandonement? from what? the 2d sprites? FF VII and VIII are still on the same breed with the older FF. World map, ariship, same battle interface still has the fanfare, summons are still there but FF VII and VIII put more emphasis into it making it more powerful so please explain it to me where is abandoment from it? Did the gameplay change? No right? it is still the same maybe the set-up change (materia and junction ) but practically it still has the same gamplay. If you are talking about abandonement then FF XI, FF XII and XIII takes the crown. The gameplay is very very different from the first 10.

Annd... I never said they can't dislike it so please don't put words on my mouth. I am not here to tell you can't dislke the game. Feel free to do so but I am not arguing about that. I am arguing about this certain fans that just keep on attacking it. They are constantly hating on the game. Again when I see someone posting "FF VII is the best FF" people attack him and the most common offender are this FF VI or older FF fans and these people are even logical persons.  I won't even mentioned names but in this site there are a few of them. 

Critisizing is one thing but putting a one liner FF VII is overrated without even telling why is really something or can't find a better term but troling or hating on it and even then I can't even see a valid reason on why though, all I see are "because  I hate the fans and it rounds downs to ,it moved to Playstation and not on the nintendo system." but obviously "some fans" have valid reason and those fans are a true fan for me.  

Why do I have the feeling you are justifying this overrated thing or this certain fans?

2. Well I never said that it didn't happened but why hate a game because of these zealot fans though isn't that kinda stupid (again sorry for the term )? But how can this zealot fans ruined someones experience in a game?

3. Hating and disliking are still two different things. Hating carries extreme hostility from what I understand. Anyway we just have to agree to disagree on this true fan thing.

The type of people you are complaining about exist on both sides of every argument. Those types are also the FFVII "diehards" that other people in this thread complain about.

So you didn't notice the series dropping the fantasy and going mostly sci-fi? You didn't notice the Cloud and Squall clones popping up in the series from then on? The loss of much of the quirky weirdness. FFIX at that point was very much a call back to the older games.

The thing about your true fan thing is that is falls almost exactly into the no true scotsman falacy. A fan is still a fan no matter the specifics or arbitray restrictions.