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Mummelmann on 11 February 2014
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osed125 said:
Mummelmann said:


I was being very, very heavily sarcastic. I'm sick to death of Nintendo fans blaming all their woes on 3rd parties when they're clearly not to blame.

Ubisoft are far and away the biggest supporters of the Wii U and even they get stung; that speaks volumes of Nintendo and their fans' blame in the whole situation around developer relations. "3rd party games aren't any good anyway, Nintendo 1st party titles are so much better" - "Why is every 3rd party ignoring Nintendo's home consoles?" - "It's a stripped down version." - "These guys don't make anything worthwhile anyway."

It's like a constant merry-go-round of anger and denial.

So, Nintendo fans on the web = the whole Wii U userbase? 

Because a few people say this stuff, that means they represent the 5 million Wii U owners?

That's what I honestly don't get about these type of comments, just because 5000 Nintendo fans say that on the web (just throwing a random number which is probably too high) doesn't represent the market AT ALL.

Just ask around here, there are plenty of Nintendo fans who buy 3rd party games (that are of quality at least). Do they represent the 5 million userbase? no they don't, and neither do the Nintendo fans who say 3rd party are trash.

So why are Wii U owners not interested in most 3rd party games? maybe is marketing? maybe most Wii U owners are kids that are not interested in these games? (after checking Miiverse, I can tell that kids and teens represent the majority of people who have a Wii U), maybe is just staple that Nintendo has had since the N64?

There are plenty of potential reasons as to why this is a problem, but a vocal minority on the web is by far one of them. And don't tell me that ALL Wii U owners are hardcore Nintendo fans who think like that, because that's just simple BS.

You made all those assumptions based on that post? That's one fairly heavy case of strawman right there.

No, the vocal minority on the web is not the main problem, nor did I say they were. My "quotes" revolve around these fans in here making these claims, and that's my whole point; they don't understand why this is happening, or they choose not to understand and they place the blame solely with the developer/publisher.

I think that most market driving multiplats are simply of a nature and design that doesn't appeal that much to the average Wii U owner, pure and simple. We also see different games perform differently on PS and Xbox, despite them having a fairly similar userbase by all accounts. About Miiverse; are you sure that they represent the majority? Perhaps the majority of Miiverse users are kids and teens but that doesn't mean that all the console owners are, right?
I think a Wii U owner's average age is on par with or above that of a PS4 or One, to be honest, and these are often people who don't think that games like Call of Duty is the pinnacle of gaming (I am one such person).

Again; nowhere did I mention that this is how all Wii U owners behave or feel, my comments towards those comparing 1st and 3rd party software were directed at the forum goers (as evidenced in my post to el_gallo on this very page).