Kresnik said:
Sal.Paradise said:
"userbase = more sales" is an extremely reductive version of what I was saying, so I don't know what your first paragraph is doing there! Install base definitely plays a part in this scenario, when they are so similar. I bet there's a ton of overlap between PSV owners that bought P4G and PS3 owners that will buy P5, but with the added benefit of the rest of the potential audience that exists on the PS3. Especially in Japan, where it's the primary console for older teens/young adults that are the market Persona games (and their anime movies) hit square in the face.
And why should we care what the VGC number is, if the 700k is the accurate one. The argument is whether P5 can hit 1 mil, doesn't matter whther that's digital or physical (we just have to rely on Atlus releasing the total number, which considering they did for P4G and P5 is definitely going to sell more, I'd say it's a safe bet they will :P).
As for P3 and 4 releasing in the twilight years, as I said, the franchise has seriously grown since then. 700k on Vita! VITA! Vita is no PS2 you know! And I don't see PS3 being on its last legs in Japan. The transition to PS4 will be a slow one for JP players and an even slower one for their devs. It will still see healthy software sales in JP in 2014. The West will be a worse situation though for sure, and if it appears on this Playstation Now thingy that will throw a spanner in the works, I'll give you that. Game streaming in general is going to screw up our sales figures as indicators of performance quite a bit.
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Because we're in a thread where the OP counted the number of 360 million sellers in the database and the number of PS3 million sellers in the database. Bringing "but it shipped x and it might have sold y digitally" means we're never talking in absolutes when looking at million sellers. Because Atlus might tell us how many copies Persona 5 sold digitally which helps us ascertain 1 million; but when Warner won't tell us how much LEGO xyz sitting at 0.98m sold, we're at a loss.
I do understand your argument. Who knows, maybe it will reach a million, and I'd be really happy for it if it did. I just don't really believe that the Persona userbase is actually that big. I think it has a dedicated userbase in both the west and the east who buy the game, but they don't come anywhere near to 1 million; and then there's people who'll buy the game based on circumstance - like a lot of people did with Persona 4 Golden on Vita - and I don't think circumstance will be on Persona 5's side when it releases. Heck, I already saw a load of comments in the thread when it got announced about how people had sold their PS3's and were wishing it was coming to PS4. Situation's only gonna be worse in a year and a bit's time.
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I don't give a toss about the OP's intentions or Warner Bro's Lego game sales lol, we're arguing specifically about P5's chance of hitting 1 million in the real world, not VGChartz 1 million. If you thought I was arguing this whole time about whether it would hit 1 mil on VGC then sorry I didnt tell you earlier.
'I think it has a dedicated userbase in both the west and the east who buy the game, but they don't come anywhere near to 1 million' - I just don't understand how you can think that when it has a 'dedicated userbase' big enough to get a game to 700k on one of the floppiest systems of all time.
