Wii U to rule in Japan: yay!

[johnlucas]

Mummelmann said:

johnlucas said:

You said Wii U was below Gamecube levels for Christmas in Japan even with the holiday boost.
benji232 CORRECTED you by showing the real numbers of both Gamecube & Wii U in their 2nd holiday seasons.
Since Gamecube came out in Japan on September 14, 2001, it went through the 2001 holiday season (a launch holiday season).
He shows the holiday season of 2002 to illustrate the next holiday season without launch fever.
Since Wii U came out in Japan on December 8, 2012, it went through the 2012 holiday season (a launch holiday season).
He shows the holiday season of 2013 to illustrate the next holiday season without launch fever.
In doing this he shows the parallels between Gamecube & Wii U in similar spans of time.

What's the issue here?
You made a statement. benji232 corrected you with documented facts.
He showed aligned comparable time periods when he made his corrections.
It shows clearly that Wii U is in a MUCH better position than Gamecube was.
Which points to the topic of Wii U making its turnaround, a subject I myself have been championing in a certain thread elsewhere on this forum.

The Wii U will not be the Gamecube no matter how much some people want it to be like that.
2014 will make sure Wii U's phoenix rise will be apparent to ALL.
John Lucas

Yes, he did show me holiday 2002 numbers, I never specified 2002. My point is that the Gamecube has moved more hardware during the holidays in Japan than the Wii U currently is, and that was even while competing with the world record breaking PS2 aka the best selling console in the history of video games. The PS2 has likely sold around 20-25 million units and Japan, about 5-6 times more than the Gamecube and yet the Wii U is failing to beat these numbers without competition. That's kind of amazing when you think about it.

You always berate others for clinging to the launch hype and drawing conclusions based on poor or even non-existant data and then go about claiming the Wii U's victory in Japan even before the competition has launched, in other words; based on poor and/or non-existant data and it's ridiculous.

What't the issue here? I correctly stated that the Wii U has yet to reach Gamecube levels in holiday sales in Japan, benji and you were the ones who imposed 2002 numbers on the argument, I never specified that, as is plain to see in my post. What I'm telling you is that the Gamecube managed higher weekly sales while competing with the best selling console in history and that is not an insignificant piece of data. We don't know anything about what the PS4 will do in Japan, what we do know is that in all regions of the world at present; the Wii U has not set the bar very high at all. We simply don't know how the Wii U will fare with actual competition, the PS3 was never big there, it is still well below 10 million units and is 7 years old by now.

For the record; I think the Wii U will be up yoy in both Japan and globally in 2014 but not nearly as much as many are assuming and I also believe that the vast majority of uses are seriously overestimating the PS4 and the 8th gen in general.

And the Wii U won't be what the Wii never was no matter how much you want it to be, I find it hilarious to be adressed on this matter by a person who uses cherry picked data to promote all his points ("domination" in a Japan with no competition being one of them, Wii U beating the PS4 for a week in NA due to extreme supply issues despite yelling about the Wii's potential with sufficent supplies back in the day, in your youtube video that is) and who believes the Wii U will sell at least 39 million on average every year from here on out (given that it has a life cycle the same as the PS3) and a 900-1000% increase in year-over-year sales in 2014 while both the One and PS4 will fall flat on their asses. It is incredibly, fantastically ridiculous at best.

Yeah, you're back to linking people to your ridiculous UNITY thread, it must be terribly upsetting that it has all but died lately and all the attention is seeping away. Even your most stoic fans have retreated to their foxholes and even refuse to answer most of my posts and are blocking their profiles. It's rather amazing to witness, almost as amazing as you trying to come in here and school me. Especially after the PM's that were revealed, they uncovered that your agenda and motivation is exactly what I said it was.

I suggest you go read up some more on hardware architecture and programming instead, fill in the blanks, so to speak.

2002 is not launch. 2001 would have been launch numbers.
You were proven wrong by documented facts.
Gamecube's best year outside of launch was 2002. The console went down each year after that in the face of the mighty PS2.
How in the world can the Gamecube outsell later the Wii U when even in its second season Wii U outsells it?
Wii U outsold Gamecube in its launch period too. There's no way Gamecube got better in Japan in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006.

He showed you Week 51 on both consoles.
Yes that means that it shows a September period for the Gamecube & a November period for the Wii U.
52 weeks in a year so it's the week before the full year.
It doesn't take much imagination to see Gamecube's holiday trajectory & Wii U's holiday trajectory based on those numbers.
benji232 disproved your statement. Deal with it.

Since you wanna say Gamecube was up against the PS2 well I counter you in saying that in the early 2000s ALL home consoles sold better in Japan than in 2013.
Nothing will EVER be quite exact. There are many variables in the equation.
There's always a different market reality with every generation influencing the sales power.

Now as for all this conspiracy theory nonsense you're coming up with—my supposed "agenda" & all this.
What was said in those PRIVATE messages was the same thing I said on the forum just uncensored.
It's the same thing I would say live on the forum if not for the sake of civility.
Those messages were not supposed to be posted on the forum but there's nothing incriminating about anything in it.
Trying to make a caricature out of me trying to paint me as some Jim Jones cult leader is frankly silly.
You don't like how I dismantled your arguments in extreme detail in that massive rebuttal.
You don't like how I challenge the negative narrative & refuse to buckle.

Retreat to the foxholes??? It's the holiday season, Mummelmann. People are spending time with their families for God's sake!
VGChartz can wait. Who wants to be up here all the time arguing it out? People are taking a break. Me included.
People DO have a life outside of this website, Mummelmann.

Hardware & architecture means not a doggone thing. It's software that matters.
All the tech in the world won't save you if your games aren't hot. Ask the Vita.
As Wii U gets those games, those sales will improve & improve & improve.
And then any arguments comparing Wii U to Gamecube will look quaint.
John Lucas