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johnlucas said:
Mummelmann said:
benji232 said:
Mummelmann said:
A holiday boost, no competition and numbers still below Gamecube levels for christmas equals ruling Japan now? I think this is a very premature statement. That said; I'd be surprised if any home console manages more than 12-15 million in Japan this gen.

Right.

GameCube, 2002:
Week 49, 39,849
Week 50, 44,902
Week 51, 66,410
Week 52, 60,290

Wii U, 2013:
Week 49, 46,773
Week 50, 72,982
Week 51, 119,159


Right. Have you seen the 2003 numbers for GC in Japan for this week? Week 51 was 129k as I recall, these numbers are not overly impressive, especially with no competition. The Wii U is still behind the GC in Japan at this point, GC sold about 1.040.000 units in 2003 in Japan, Wii U still has a ways to go to sell over one million in one year here.

"still below Gamecube levels for christmas" really nothing in there about "christmas 2002", is there? Or christmas 2004 for that matter, which was pretty bad. You might think that it's unfair to compare the GC's best holiday with the Wii U's worst (for now) but then again; the Wii U has no competition, the GC already had the PS2 to battle at this point and still managed a pretty good holiday in 2003, even in the West. There's no way to tell whether next holiday will be better or worse with some actual competition, so it is also way too soon to be calling the Wii U the victor in Japan.

People are so hung up on shooting down One and PS4 predictions based on launch hype (and rightly so) and saying that there is no proper data to draw any conclusion from, but make ridiculous claims like the OP at the same time, it's equally silly since we actually don't have any valid data to go by for now. If the Wii U outsells the PS4 weekly through 2014 after the PS4's launch and then beats it during holidays 2014, then we can start making these claims.

I mean, honestly; are you impressed with what the Wii U has accomplished with its one year head start?


You said Wii U was below Gamecube levels for Christmas in Japan even with the holiday boost.
benji232 CORRECTED you by showing the real numbers of both Gamecube & Wii U in their 2nd holiday seasons.
Since Gamecube came out in Japan on September 14, 2001, it went through the 2001 holiday season (a launch holiday season).
He shows the holiday season of 2002 to illustrate the next holiday season without launch fever.
Since Wii U came out in Japan on December 8, 2012, it went through the 2012 holiday season (a launch holiday season).
He shows the holiday season of 2013 to illustrate the next holiday season without launch fever.
In doing this he shows the parallels between Gamecube & Wii U in similar spans of time.

What's the issue here?
You made a statement. benji232 corrected you with documented facts.
He showed aligned comparable time periods when he made his corrections.
It shows clearly that Wii U is in a MUCH better position than Gamecube was.
Which points to the topic of Wii U making its turnaround, a subject I myself have been championing in a certain thread elsewhere on this forum.

The Wii U will not be the Gamecube no matter how much some people want it to be like that.
2014 will make sure Wii U's phoenix rise will be apparent to ALL.
John Lucas


Yes, he did show me holiday 2002 numbers, I never specified 2002. My point is that the Gamecube has moved more hardware during the holidays in Japan than the Wii U currently is, and that was even while competing with the world record breaking PS2 aka the best selling console in the history of video games. The PS2 has likely sold around 20-25 million units and Japan, about 5-6 times more than the Gamecube and yet the Wii U is failing to beat these numbers without competition. That's kind of amazing when you think about it.

You always berate others for clinging to the launch hype and drawing conclusions based on poor or even non-existant data and then go about claiming the Wii U's victory in Japan even before the competition has launched, in other words; based on poor and/or non-existant data and it's ridiculous.

What't the issue here? I correctly stated that the Wii U has yet to reach Gamecube levels in holiday sales in Japan, benji and you were the ones who imposed 2002 numbers on the argument, I never specified that, as is plain to see in my post. What I'm telling you is that the Gamecube managed higher weekly sales while competing with the best selling console in history and that is not an insignificant piece of data. We don't know anything about what the PS4 will do in Japan, what we do know is that in all regions of the world at present; the Wii U has not set the bar very high at all. We simply don't know how the Wii U will fare with actual competition, the PS3 was never big there, it is still well below 10 million units and is 7 years old by now.

For the record; I think the Wii U will be up yoy in both Japan and globally in 2014 but not nearly as much as many are assuming and I also believe that the vast majority of uses are seriously overestimating the PS4 and the 8th gen in general.

And the Wii U won't be what the Wii never was no matter how much you want it to be, I find it hilarious to be adressed on this matter by a person who uses cherry picked data to promote all his points ("domination" in a Japan with no competition being one of them, Wii U beating the PS4 for a week in NA due to extreme supply issues despite yelling about the Wii's potential with sufficent supplies back in the day, in your youtube video that is) and who believes the Wii U will sell at least 39 million on average every year from here on out (given that it has a life cycle the same as the PS3) and a 900-1000% increase in year-over-year sales in 2014 while both the One and PS4 will fall flat on their asses. It is incredibly, fantastically ridiculous at best.

Yeah, you're back to linking people to your ridiculous UNITY thread, it must be terribly upsetting that it has all but died lately and all the attention is seeping away. Even your most stoic fans have retreated to their foxholes and even refuse to answer most of my posts and are blocking their profiles. It's rather amazing to witness, almost as amazing as you trying to come in here and school me. Especially after the PM's that were revealed, they uncovered that your agenda and motivation is exactly what I said it was.

I suggest you go read up some more on hardware architecture and programming instead, fill in the blanks, so to speak.