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Korppi said:
Slimebeast said:

I was thinking of buying Crusader Kings 2 but it seems very complex and perhaps boring. Anyone played it extensively?

Does 270 hours in half a year count as extensive?

It is pretty overwhelming at first for sure, but once you become familiar with the various traits, opinion modifiers and rules of succession, things will start going a lot more smoothly. I guess your enjoyment of the game also depends on whether or not you're in any way interested in alternative history.

If you ever do decide to get CKII, I'd be happy to provide you with a brief(ish) rundown of the basics. Still, it's up to you, of course, I understand that the game doesn't have too much appeal outside its specific niche.

Slimebeast said:

Yeah they're the masters but does anybody on VGC even play them? Have you honestly played any of their strategy games extensively and do you have the Steam achievements to prove it?

I don't have the achievements, because in order to earn them you have to play on Ironman mode, and with my sluggish computer the monthly autosaves become just a pain in the ass. Don't care much for cheevos anyway, though. (same goes for Europa Universalis IV. In addition, Ironman mode in EUIV disallows toggling off Lucky Nations, which is complete bullshit)

Besides, you're Swedish, and so is Paradox. If nothing else, you'll at least support your fellow countrymen.

*resumes patrolling the Internet for mentions of Crusader Kings II*

Cool, you crawled from under your rock because you saw Crusader Kings. You've been a VGC member forever but we haven't see you much in a long time.

Yeah, 270 hours is extensive. I wish I could get into it and get hooked. I love the "only one more turn" feeling.

I love complex games and hate dumbing down, but still a steep learning curve is often an obstacle to me.

Maybe I should go for Civ 5 or something. It's much much easier to get into, isn't it?

Btw, as a Paradox game lover, do you consider games such as Civ 5 too easy?