Can Nintendo sell to other crowds than DS and PS360?

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Mnementh said:

Soundwave said:

Games that have sexuality integrated into them and have themes more aimed at adults (further than even Last of Us) is actually the blue ocean now, no one is really daring to step into that relam but there's a large potential audience for games that cater to the tastes of grown ups and not teenager males or little kids.

Games that have a narrative more like a graphic novel or a novel full stop for example. 

But Nintendo won't go there.

Waving a controller around to mimic playing tennis or golf is no longer blue ocean. It's an old idea by now, much like playing with a plastic guitar and matching up notes on screen.

I don't think Nintendo made Wii U for the "hardcore" audience at all. If they had, it would be much more in line with the PS4/XB1. I think their hope with Wii U was to make a more *balanced* version of the Wii. I think their research showed them that there was actually some truth behind the "I bought Wii for Wii Sports and now just use it for Netflix and nothing else" stigma. And things like Metroid and Zelda, proportionate the increase in userbase didn't have as explosive of sales, the Mario games sold great, but things like Xenoblade found a very narrow market given such a larger userbase which was odd.

So I think with Wii U, they wanted to keep the Wii audience, but encourage them to delve into more games, and deeper types of games. Iwata said it himself, they never intended for the Wii to be strictly a casual-only console where you played like Wii Sports and maybe the odd game of Mario Kart and nothing else.

They wanted to I think to make the Wii to be more like the DS (not neccessarily the PS4/XB1) ... the DS at least in Japan (and Nintendo still seems to put extra emphasis on what the Japanese market is thinking) had great success with casual games, but a lot of core games and even core third party games. I think Wii U basically was meant to make the Wii more like the DS. Of course none of Nintendo's plans really worked out this gen.

LOL. The sexualized more adult approach was probably a blue ocean with the first Tomb Raider. It is that no longer for years now.

Also, if I want to read a novel, I read a novel. No game - and that includes The Last of Us and Beyond Two Souls - have a story that is anywhere to match the story of a proper novel or even a movie. If you don't believe me - take a video of a playthrough of The Last of Us, get your friends and some popcorn for a movie-evening and watch that playthrough. Then you know, that still every somewhat decent movie has a better story than a game. And that every movie with some budget has better graphics than every game. So, why pay five time the amount (and additionally for the gaming-system) to get an experience a movie can do better?

And, you people seem to have the wrong idea of 'mature storyline'. While The walking dead is a successful series, the movie theaters cash in most on relationship comedies in different flavour. Sure, some single movies like LOTR are bigger, but the pure mass of relationship comedies bring in much more profit. Actually this is not very common in games. So probably a relationship comedy-game could be a new blue ocean for gaming. Or wait, doesn't the japanese devs already make movements in this direction?

The Wii is still in usage for much more than WiiSports and Netflix. Look at the sales of Just Dance and on which platform these sales happen. If a game for the demographic that bought the Wii is released, they are buying and playing that game. So probably motion gaming is sort of a blue ocean again, because all devs more or less deserted that ocean. Ubisoft is with Just Dance the only one releasing for that market consistently, Nintendo doesn't really do that.

I agree with you at the end. The thinkset to see the WiiU as a net to catch core-gamers and motion-gamers alike seems to be matching. Probably you're right, Nintendo might have intended to make something like the DS, to catch both groups. That would explain the completely inconsistent presentation, that appeals to no group at all.

it isnt though, JD has actually been on a decline in the last two years so its no wonder that devs dont want to make that kind of game.