Kane1389 said:
Zppykins said:
What? What is 'traditional marriage' where a women is property of the husband? One were a family sells off a daughter? Or one with many wives? or one with man husbands? (those area all Traditions. You agenda is showing when you try to spin denying civil rights a defending somethingh that never was what you are claiming.)
I use the word traditional as ''standard marrige'' in this context between a man and a woman. Traditional in this sense means the christian (not jewsih) marrige - you know, the religion on which the entire western morals and laws are based on.
In the USA Churches will have no say in their ability to keep citizens from their civil rights. It's called the separation of Church and State. It's one of the founding principals of the US Construction. Just like how slavery is 100% supported by the Bible, it is not allowed because it violates state and federal laws.
I never said anything about civil rights, did I? I also never mentioned any churches or any religious institutions at all. You are trying to spin this into anther agonazing gay marrige debate. Do you get a boner by attacking church and religion? I was simply stating that A STATE has a right to defend a traditional marrige and its laws, federal goverment has no say in Utah's laws regarding gay marrige.
I would hope that the Mormons should spend more of the time and the hundreds of millions of dollars they have spent trying to destroy same sex families on something good and meaningful. The ironic thing is, with their large families, Mormons they produce more gay kids by percentage than all other families in the USA. (The number of brothers a male child has directly increased the chances of said child being gay.) Makes me wonder why they are attacking their own familes.
You do know that LDS church donated almost 1 billion dollars in over 180 countries around the world, right? How much did your beloved LGBT lobby spend on helping innocent, poor and sick people around the world instead of promoting their agenda?
It seems that two men or two women getting married makes you uncomfortable. May I ask why?
It seems as if you got that impression simply for the sake of arguing? I never stated my stance on gay marrige issue, you just want to use your classic liberal progressive ad hominem and jabs against me because i used the word ''traditional'' in my post.
It seems that the word traditional makes you uncomfortable. May I ask why?
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"I use the word traditional as ''standard marrige'' in this context between a man and a woman. Traditional in this sense means the christian (not jewsih) marrige - you know, the religion on which the entire western morals and laws are based on."
This is absolutely false.
"I never said anything about civil rights, did I? I also never mentioned any churches or any religious institutions at all. You are trying to spin this into anther agonazing gay marrige debate. Do you get a boner by attacking church and religion? I was simply stating that A STATE has a right to defend a traditional marrige and its laws, federal goverment has no say in Utah's laws regarding gay marrige."
This is true right now, but can definitely change. A supreme court ruling would be required to be followed by the states.
"You do know that LDS church donated almost 1 billion dollars in over 180 countries around the world, right? How much did your beloved LGBT lobby spend on helping innocent, poor and sick people around the world instead of promoting their agenda?"
Since when is wanting equal rights an agenda. You do realize how badly gay people have been treated in the past. Labeled mentally ill and experimented upon to "cure" them. Many had electroshock, some were lobotomized. Being arrested was common. They were denied employment and housing. It was real persecution and oppression, not this fake "war on christmas" crap.
And the LDS church donating money around the world doesn't excuse what they do to people that leave the church (shunning) or the money they spent trying to deny gay couples equal rights.
