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DanneSandin said:
Captain_Tom said:
DanneSandin said:
Captain_Tom said:


So Zombie U is as innovative now as Golden Eye was?  Really?

 

Also W101 got mediocre reviews and sold nearly nothing...

What does it matter if it got mediocre reviews and sold nearly nothing? Does it make the game LESS creative/new? No, no it doesn't. Just take a look at Tearaway and the Puppeter made by Sony. Got high praises, sure, but sold near to nothing. Or take a look at Knack for that matter. Mediocre scores, and will probably not sell all that well. The same goes for Ryse. Sure, they'll have some success, but I predict that SM3DW >> them both. Anyways, does that mean they're not new experiences? No! So don't try to belittle W101's creativity just because it's a Nintendo IP that's sold bad or got mediocre scores.

Getting Mediocre review and selling nothing does not earn it a classic rating in my book.  SOCOM 4 got similar scores and sold badly, and I wouldn't mention it as one of Sony's best.

Where did I say that this game is/will become a classic? I didn't even imply that.

Captain_Tom said:
At this point I just want to say that I am not saying Nintendo makes terrible games. They just haven't made almost anything new that is good for a long time.

Does anyone really disagree that over time Nintendo has come up with less and less new IP's, and that possibly it affected their sales?

This kinda ties in with what we were discussing, so I'm adressing it as well.

@Bolded, that is NOT what you said in the OP. Moving goal posts much? You simply stated that Nintendo is out of fresh and innovative ideas, or at least that those ideas have gotten fewer and fewer.

Man, you're so dellusional, I'll just stop talking with you. You don't even answer half the points I put forward. Why even bother. Let's be absolutely clear on this, though: the DS and the Wii (and the software to those consoles) are among the most ground breaking innovations this industry has seen - at the very least since the jump to 3D in the 5th generation. Who initiated that? Nintendo.


What really annoys me is that people like you think that is just an objective fact.  It isn't.  I believe TLoU is the best game of this generation, but I am not going to say something so rediculous as "It is a fact that we all must bask in the eternal glory of The Last of Us, and that no other game ever has come close to being half as good."