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theprof00 said:
Jereel Hunter said:
theprof00 said:
Jereel Hunter said:

Is there.... any other reason to buy one? All the multi-plats are available on X1 and on the previous gen systems... If you don't care about any exclusives, there's probably no reason to buy a next gen system, yet. Most people will buy 1 exclusive, even if they aren't psyched about it, just to justify their purchase.

YOu mean instead of xbox?

Price.

I mean, at all. Yes, price is a reason to get it instead of an X1, if you must have one. But if there isn't a single exclusive you want, then there's little real incentive to even get a PS4/Xbox yet. For most people, even the early adopters, there is at least 1 launch exclusive to make someone purchase the system. 

That's wishful thinking on your part.

People buy new gen consoles because the graphical difference is substantial.

Don't pretend like there isn't a reason to get a ps4. Not only is it HOT to have a new console, especially the ps4 with all the word of mouth and difficulty in getting one. YOu don't need an exclusive to buy the console, as you can plainly see by loooking what the top sellers are.

Guess what the best selling game early in 360's life was? call of duty 2. People upgraded in order to play a multiplat.

The only exclusives here were perfect dark zero, kameo, and pgr, yet neither of them managed to exceed 220k in the first week, and the very best was 300k in a month.

Only three exclusives out of that list.

You see, it's not exclusivity that sells. It's the games. Perfect Dark Zero was an 81 metacritic, PGR was 88, and kameo was 79, yet the best selling was not pgr, it was perfect dark. Why? Because it was made by the same people that made goldeneye. So you see, it's not about exclusivity. It's about desirability. PGR was the highest rated game in that whole group.

Every multiplat on there was also on ps2 and xbox. Yet multiplats outsold the exclusives on xbox360.

Just listen to the facts: Every multiplat that outsold exclusives were on average rated lower than the exclusives. That should tell you something.

People upgrade because they want to. Not because of exclusive games. Perfect Dark just so happened to be an exclusive. Even had it not been exclusive, people would have still bought it because it would have looked infinitely better than the other consoles. That's not to say they would have outsold the other console's sales, but that they would have sold well, and sold systems, which they did, like call of duty 2, need for speed most wanted, and madden. Funny how those three games represent 3 of the biggest franchises in gaming. It's not a coincidence they sold better.

I think there's a slight disconnect. Let's talk about this in context with where the conversation began:

I said it made sense that KZ outsold X1 exclusives, because it's the only good PS4 exclusive. You said exclusives aren't the reason people buy consoles. I asked why people buy consoles, and you said that they'd choose the PS4 because of price (compared to the X1)

But price isn't an absolute reason, it's a relative reason. If someone is asked to explain why they want a new console, the reason isn't "because it's $400". The reason is because it has cool games, or better graphics, or awesome features, etc. The price is only a factor in buying the system VS buying a more expensive system.

better graphics, new features, etc, are a selling point for both systems. And yes, some hardcore fans will buy one, for no other reason, just for multiplats they could play anyway. But at the end of the day exclusives are a draw, particularly next gen exclusives, and people will be more likely to splurge on an expensive system if there's one really shiny new game that can't be played elsewhere. (or try a game like KZ when they normally stick to CoD, if it's the best looking shooter on the system)

The fact that KZ is the only exclusive worth buying means it will sell more, merited or not. Your own comparision shows that:

KZ comparison:
(3 weeks)
KZ PS4: 459k (1.1m install base)
KZ2 PS3: 505k (40m install base)
KZ3 PS3: 431k (60m install base)

is KZ a mind blowing, epic, can't miss AAA plat that will go down in history? Not really. But oh look, over 40% of all PS4 buyers got one. Why? It's shiny, it's exclusive, and what else are you gonna do on PS4 that can't be done elsewhere? Play Knack?