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Muffin31190 said:
kitler53 said:

grabbed from wikipedia:

"The term innovation can be defined as something original and, as consequence, new that "breaks in to" the market or into society. One usually associates to new phenomena that are important in some way. A definition of the term, in line with these aspects, would be the following: "An innovation is something original, new, and important - in whatever field - that breaks in to (or obtains a foothold in) a market or society."


i agree with this definition.  people throw the word innovation around too much now-a-days.  very few things truely deserve the lable of "innovative".  that's actually kind of the point.  innovative ideas are the big important ones that changes everything. ps4 and xbox one are not really all the innovative.  ..in part because they both did the same thing on a majority of the innovations (suspend/resume  and video caputure) which fails the "original" criteria.

most of the arguments i've watched about innovations mostly focus on the how things are implemented not the what was imlemented.  that's argument is already off point..

This right fuckin here, everything that has been done with these console as being "innovative" has already been done

right there with you kitler



Merriam-Webster defines innovative as; a new idea, device, or method.
the Oxford dictionary defines innovative as; featuring new methods;

Both of those companies have been trusted sources for the definition of words and their meanings for generations; and both of their definitions give validity to the X1 and PS4 as being innovative. 
Innovation doesn't carry exclusivity with the word original. Something doesn't have to be completely different to be innovative. 
Take for example the side air bags in most modern cars. Air bags aren't new, but positioning them at the side of a car's impact point was certainly innovative. 
Same with the X1 and PS4. 
While they may boast functions that have been previously released on other media devices, as far as consoles are concerned, what they're demonstrating is innovative.