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el_gallo said:
Soundwave said:
el_gallo said:
Jumpin said:
Hasn't Obama brought the American deficit down a gigantic amount from what Bush left it off at? Has he not improved the state of civil rights and liberties among people such as equal treatment for women's healthcare, LGBT equality, etc... How about striking back against corrupt medical insurance companies in the US? Was all of that wrong? I don't think so.

Has Bush's failures set white people back 20-50 years?


Where do you get your news? President Obama borrowed more in his first term than Bush did in two terms and he continues to borrow.

He has not improved the state of civil rights. He has violated both voting rights with his attorney general suing and harassing states that attempt to prevent vote fraud. He is being sued repeatedly for violating the religious and civil rights of Americans. It is clear the IRS under his direction has harassed, intimidated and limited the political speech of untold numbers of Americans.

With regard to LGBT rights, he opposed marriage during his first term. He recently changed his mind but only with regard to making it a state rights issue rather than a federal guarantee. He hasn't struck back against insurance companies. Instead he cozied up to them and created a cronistic system where they have guaratneed customers who are mandated to buy their products under threat of imprisonment.

I find it interesting in that when Democrats criticize Republicans, they continually accuse them of turning back the clock on certain groups. Why is this off-limit or "racist" for discussion of President Obama?

You forgot that he hasn't cured cancer yet. Because Romney surely would have. 

The premise of the thread is racist in the same way a "How far has Kim Jong Ill Set Back All Asians? They were doing so well with Bruce Lee" would be. 

I'm white by the way and even I can see that this thread is racist/ignorant as f*ck. Why should an entire racial group be judged by one politican when it's not an expectation put upon any other racial group? 

Are all white males judged when another white serial killer shows up or the next school shooting happens to be a white guy? No of course not. Do white people have to "live down" George W. Bush? Or Nixon? 


Being absurd and mocking doesn't help your point.

The premise of the thread doesn't mean people can't comment in general on the President as I have done. It doesn't mean people can't say he hasn't set the entire country back which is also what I have done. It doesn't mean people can't question why a group who have been so economically harmed by him gave him 93% of their votes.

As for expectations put upon other groups, that is just nonsense. People try to paint groups with claims about their leaders or their own history all the time. Why one of the claims about President Obama is that he would make America more respected around the world after Bush. Why would the entire world judge the U.S. based off one man? Sounds like a group being judged by one person in that group does it not?

Do white people have to live down George W. Bush? In a way yes because there is continual talk of white privilege not just with George Bush but with George Washington as well. We are told the very foundations of the country are racist and that any achievement isn't really our own. Are white males judged when a serial killer shows up? Maybe not but all legal gun owners are whenever there is a mass shooting.

Also it goes two ways. President Obama wrote two books and in them he spoke of reconciliation. In his first book he reconciled his two racial identities. In his second book he declared he could reconcile the two parties and the broken process in Washington. He has solidly failed in both regards. The groups that have bought into those solutions suffer first and worst. I posted statistics that have shown that to be true for the African-American community who have suffered tremendous economic loss under President Obama all while holding on and hoping he will bring the change he promised.

If you went to a financial advisor and gave him the last five years of your savings, say $10,000. They you stuck with him as it became $8,000 then $5,000 and finally $2,000 and never fired the man or sought other solutions. Then he has indeed set you back years because it took time to save and make that money.

People like yourself make this about stereotyping. I have made it about money. Black unemployment was 10.6% in the middle of a recession. Now it is 12.9% in the middle of a recovery five years later. For the country as a whole the unemployment rate has gone down (though not really because participation levels are way down.) However for the black community, unemployment is way UP. That is a set back for that group as a whole. It doesn't mean people are calling them names or saying stereotypes about them. It is a true by the numbers economic set back and this is true in almost every economic measure for that group under President Obama.

If Romney or McCain or anyone else were president unemployment would still be 12.9% for african americans because unemployment has always been high in that particular minority group.