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BMaker11 on 07 December 2013
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Mr Puggsly said:
BMaker11 said:

If they just flat out said "we're charging for online", I'd be livid. If that's all it was that was behind a paywall, there'd be no complaining about which is the better value because for all intents and purposes, they'd be equivalent.

But as it stands, they are not equivalent. PS+ get's you instant game collection as well as free monthly games, early beta access, play as you download, discounted PSN content, full game trials (meaning you can play whatever aspects a game has for an hour, not a scripted "1 hour demo" where you can only do certain things), and then online MP.

XBL only gives you online MP. It's not an apples to apples comparison. It's apples to oranges. How do you like them apples? Cause the nectar of these oranges is oh so sweet

Its clear to me free games alone wasn't drawing the masses in. That's why they're now charging for online play. I'm sure you agree.

For the record, XBL has been doing discounted prices for Gold member for years. Now Gold member get free games, access to F2P games, etc. So there is more to XBL than just MP as well.

Anyhow, quit being so defensive. I was right, simple as that.

Or because they saw that XBL is making MS billions a year and they don't want to miss out on that opportunity? PS+ is optional on PS3 because they started out with free PSN and they'd shoot themselves in the foot to try and strip that away from that userbase. PS4 is a new console, so they chose a different business model (albeit, I disagree with it).

And yes, you get free games, but they're either really old or really crappy. And I would never use F2P games as a merit for getting XBL. Paying to play free game? That's criminal.

I'm not being defensive, I was just justifying the point I was making, which is something you're supposed to strive to do when discussing things, right? And worse, you were wrong. Everyone that wasn't already a PS+ member complained. That's why there was a ruckous about it after E3 and they made paying for online only a small little bullet point in their presentation and tried to be tight lipped about it when asked. Find one person who went from "free online to having to pay for it? I'm totally cool with that".

I bet I can find people, on the other hand, that said "free online to having to pay for it? Screw that, I'm pissed. Oh, free games and many other things? Ok, I guess that's worth it if I have to pay for online". Nobody was "suddenly ok with it". There was just acceptance of the fact, after a storm of complaints.