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BMaker11 on 07 December 2013
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J_Allard said:
BMaker11 said:

I'll edit my comment and address the rest later, but as for the bold:

 It's not being twisted into a negative. MS is saying they're sold out at retailers around the world. Retailers around the world are saying "no, we're not". There's no need to twist a demonstrably false statement into a negative. If they would have said something like "we're having trouble keeping up with demand" or "we've sold out in many places" then that is vague enough that it gets the point across and can't be spun in anyway, positive or negative. But to say "we're sold out at retailers around the world", which implies that they are just sold out, period (you can play semantics if you want to by calling it merely  "a simple statement") and these retailers respond with "no", that's akin to saying I'm naked when I clearly have clothes on 

The adorable part about this is the bolded thing is what they did say. You're simply twsiting it to mean something else so that a negative can be applied to it. Whether they say they are sold out at retailers around the world or "sold out in many places", you're going to have pictures floating of consoles in stock, which will be seen as a contradiction to the people looking for their agenda to push. In simpler terms, haters gonna hate.

"we're sold out at retailers around the world" simply means they are sold out at retailers around the world. So they found a Target with one in stock for the article. Does that change the fact that if I look at any in my area, they are sold out? Same with Gamestop, or Toys R Us. If you have 10 Gamestops in the world and 9 are sold out, is it deceitful or misleading or lying to say you're "sold out at Gamestops around the world"? No. But if you say "we're sold out at every Gamestop around the world", then that can be misleading.

Don't blame MS because you cannot understand a simple comment about supply, even if you have a fairy tale wish about how they can keep track of inventory and logistics.

So what you're trying to defend is basically "we're sold out, but we're not sold out"? You're playing around with semantics. I'm not trying to spin anything negatively. "Retailers" implies the whole chain. As in, "you can't find Xbox Ones at Walmart right now". If he would have said "we're sold out at many Walmarts around the world", that leaves room for assuming that not all the Walmarts are sold out. But when you make the blanket statement "we're sold out at Retailer X", that means they're sold out at that retailer.

And what you're not realizing is that it's so much more than just "they found a Target with one unit". Something like that can fly under the radar. But when there are several pics of Gamestops, Best Buys, Walmarts, Targets, etc. floating around (and I'm only referring to pics in this instance because it's photographic evidence), with walls just lined with XBones, that's not agenda pushing. That's telling like it is. They aren't sold out at the retailers they are claiming to be sold out at! "We're sold out at many Walmarts". I find a pile at multiple Walmarts. Ok, those stores aren't amongst the "many". "We're sold out at Walmart", I find a pile at multiple Walmarts. Ok, you're not sold out at Walmart.

And if all they were saying is "we've sold out in many places", as you think that's all they're saying, then they'd tell us where they aren't sold out at.

I'm not misunderstanding simple comments. I'm not trying to spin things negatively. I'm not pushing an agenda. All I'm saying is "we're sold out at retailers around the world" is a false statement, or at the very least, a deceitful one. Otherwise, all it takes is two stores in two different countries to sell out, and bam, "we're sold out around the world"