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lt_dan_27 on 04 December 2013
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Zero999 said:
lt_dan_27 said:
Zero999 said:

bolded: no.

bolded 2: fallacy, altough ps4 had an amazing launch, this ratio is due to wii u's low 2013 sales. looking at it more logicaly, ps4 should end up 2013 with under 3M. in other words, just 33% more than wii u in 2012. see the difference? of course you do.

the fact is that sales are picking up for wii u and there's a huge amount of titles already announced for 2014.

I messed up the first bolded quote, let me rephrase that. I meant to say both the xbox one and ps4 have overtaken the wiiU's lifetime sales in the UK. Sorry about that. Also, the ps4 IS at 2.1 million units. That's a quote FROM SONY. So you're right, the ps4 has sold more than half the lifetime of the wiiU's sales, and it was in 16 days, not two weeks, sorry.  I don't see where your under 3m for ps4 idea comes from for the ps4. We know that the ps4 has over 2 million back orders in the US alone. So, the PS4 will easily be to 3 million by the end of the year, and possibly more if they can keep up with demand. Theny you're also ignoring the fact demand for the wiiU fell off a massive cliff after 2012, and it has NEVER recovered. Also, just under 3 million means 50% more than 2 million. Your so called recovery in sales is simply because of the holiday season, and it's sales aren't nearly as good as it's launch. Look at every other launch, the next years holiday season sales are usually higher, NOT a quarter. So no, I don't see your point. The ps4 clearly has a higer demand. Also, you can't say low 2013 sales, when 2013 has made up over 85% of it's time on the market. So yeah, none of your points are valid. 

wii u sold 2.25m in 2012, so just under 3m IS 33% more. the wii u sales HAVE recovered and the killer 2014 lineup will only make it better and better.

considering ps4 WORLDWIDE preorders of around 1.6M, I don't see where your idea that ps4 has 2m orders in US alone, AFTER LAUNCH. what i know is that those 2.1m indicate a black friday of around 220k in america, and the prospects are that it will go down on the next weeks.

OF COURSE I CAN SAY LOW 2013 SALES, why wouldn't I? the whole point is to prove your fallacy that tries to inflate ps4's situation when a better comparison shows it won't end 2013 that much better than wii u 2012.


You aren't very good at math. And also, there are more than 2 million units sold, sooooo I'm pretty sure that your numbers make absolutely no sense. I didn't say orders, I'm saying that gamestop is reporting an INCREDIBLY high demand for the ps4. Also, the reason that the ps4 "only" got 220k in the US on black friday was because most of their product was being sent to Europe because their launch was on our black friday. 

Now to your first argument. WiiU sold 2.25 million in a month and a half, or about 6 weeks. The ps4's first two weeks that have been recorded report a similar number (2.1 million), which means that the ps4 is currently selling 3 times better than the wiiU's launch. You can call this a fallacy all you want, but the fact is, I'm supporting all of my facts with numbers, and not emotion. Plus, the ps4 is almost definitely going to go over 3 million, maybe even this week. We don't know until we see the number. All I'm seeing you do is back up your points with BS information. 

I mentioned you talking about low 2013 sales because you were talking about it as if they can be negated completely. Those sales are incrediblt important, it shows that no one, except for a few hardcore fanboys, really cared about it. Sales dropping off of a cliff like that is really bad news.