Ben Stein to take on Darwinism on April 18

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timmytomthegreat said:

Sqrl said:

timmytomthegreat said:

Sqrl said:

kazadoom said:
are you reading what you are writing? This is nonsense, it takes more faith to believe this then creation. There are so many ifs and holes in what you are saying it is crazy. You keep talking about adaptation, like bears turning white in the snow, and people getting hairier in colder climates. That is not evolution, because they are still bears, and they are still humans. There is NO evidence that species changed from one species to another on this planet.

Really?  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12286206/

Really?  http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0417ethiopian.asp

Good find. I just wish the article I linked had bothered to provide an update on the matter.

The position you're taking stills leaves the conundrum that you have to admit god doesn't exist to hold the position if you wish not to be a hypocrite.

How you ask?

Glad you asked, let me explain: If your position is that the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence then God himself fails this test and thus by this logic doesn't exist.

As I've already stated in this thread the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence and the position you and Kaza hold is untennable logically speaking.

If your best proof that evolution is incorrect is that they've only proven it to be true of traits within a species then you have a fairly weak argument considering that basic logic can lead anyone to deduce that even large quantities of small changes over time can cause two different populations to diverge significantly enough to become something else. Really that process doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to understand, but somehow your contention is that because nobody on a Video Game website can show you proof that it happened you would proclaim that it never can?

I have evidence for God's existence. Read the book The Case For Christ and then we can talk.

Also there is a proof for the existence of God, that to my knowledge no atheist can dis prove, called The Transcendental Arguement for the Existence of God.

http://www.carm.org/atheism/transcendental_outline.htm

http://www.bellevuechristian.org/faculty/dribera/htdocs/PDFs/Apol_Bahnsen_Stein_Debate_Transcript.pdf

This is a bit belated, but here goes: 

1. If you have evidence to present, please do so.  It's unreasonable to ask everyone else to go out and buy all the same Christian apologetics that you are going to use. 

2. That has a lot of rebuttals that look good -- at least at a glance -- but here's one they don't cover.  The words are my own but none of the criticism rebuttals are on point to it:  "Logic as we know it was formulated by human minds.  Logical absolutes are a reflection of reality, i.e. the physical universe which has physical absolutes.  Whatever the cause of the universe, God or no, these physical absolutes exist, from which spring the logical absolutes (human minds, experiencing and observing the physical absolutes, formulated logical absolutes to match)."

3. I quickly read that debate just now and I don't know why you seem to think it is strong support for your position.  It seems to me that both sides gave good arguments, although Dr. Bahnsen spent too much time IMO attacking moral relativism instead of backing up his position and Dr. Stein did not really answer the transcentental argument unless I overlooked something.  There wasn't really a clear winner at first glance, and in any case those two men on that day were not the be-all end-all of that debate (obviously).