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HappySqurriel said:
jimmay said:
HappySqurriel said:

So Jimmay if gamerankings is so unbiased let's look at sales another way ...
Sales of the top 20 highest rated games on Gamerankings.com with at least 20 reviews

Wii:

Game

ScoreSalesAdjusted Sales
Super Mario Galaxy97.19%5.956.04
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess93.91%4.674.82
Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition90.96%1.641.72
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption89.69%1.211.28
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock86.48%1.882.02
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure85.74%0.290.31
Super Paper Mario85.17%2.222.41
No More Heroes83.08%0.170.19
WarioWare: Smooth Moves81.98%2.262.50
Madden NFL 0781.37%0.430.48
Trauma Center: Second Opinion80.89%0.520.58
Geometry Wars: Galaxies80.07%0.050.06
Mario Strikers Charged79.03%1.491.68
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn78.72%0.460.52
Madden NFL 0878.20%0.570.64
Mercury Meltdown Revolution78.06%0.040.05
The Godfather: Blackhand Edition77.43%0.090.10
Rayman Raving Rabbids76.93%1.281.46
Trauma Center: New Blood76.55%0.190.22
Wii Sports76.49%19.6822.50
Average0.8292.252.48
Average (without Wii Sports)0.83231.341.47

PS3:

GameScoreSalesAdjusted Sales
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare93.62%2.522.60
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion93.19%0.650.67
Rock Band90.77%0.340.36
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune89.83%1.291.36
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction88.54%0.870.92
Burnout Paradise87.39%0.420.45
The Orange Box87.28%0.080.09
Ninja Gaiden Sigma86.99%0.350.38
Resistance: Fall of Man86.70%2.392.57
Virtua Fighter 586.41%0.470.51
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 286.27%0.270.29
Skate86.25%0.170.18
Unreal Tournament 385.51%0.310.34
NHL 0885.38%0.090.10
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas85.06%0.340.37
Devil May Cry 484.58%0.951.03
Warhawk84.23%0.390.42
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock83.99%0.921.00
DiRT83.24%0.090.10
NBA Street Homecourt82.91%0.090.10
Average86.91%0.650.70

 

 

OMG! The PS3 is ruining the industry because even good games don't sell well on it!!!


Not quite sure what you're trying to get at? The ps3 was over priced and had poor hardware sales because of that, poor hardware sales obviously led to poor software sales. But things are now picking up for ps3 and in the next few months it's going to have 5-6 more games that reach the million sold mark, all of which got good reviews.

 

Except that a large portion of those games were released not that long ago; Guitar Hero III, Devil May Cry 4, Unreal Tournament III, The Orange Box, Burnout Paradise, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Rockband and Call of Duty 4 were all released in the last several months.

My point was that you can look for metrics that make any system look bad, and your choice of the gamerakings/metacritic scores matched up to million sellers is no better than most. By choosing how the top rated games have sold as my dataset I choose something which would demonstrate the point that the PS3 was ruining the industry, after all if PS3 games are so expensive to produce and even the top 20 games have not sold that well how will any developer turn a decent profit off of PS3 development? This argument is no worse nor does it a more biased position than the one you have choosen.

Regardless of whether you're willing to admit it or not, the reason a lot of Wii games have sold so well inspite of lower reviews is because they are high quality in a way which currently is not included in a lot of review methodologies. A game which is approachable and fun that enables four people of any skill level to play together and enjoy themselves is not common, is a challenge to produce, and is highly desireable yet few reviewers are willing to consider this when they score a game; unfortunately, even poor online multiplayer seems to boost up the review scores of many other games.

If it were just a couple of games which had disproportionately high sales for their scores you might have a point about consumers not always choosing great games en-mass (after all Kane and Lyntch sold pretty well) but the number of titles which this is happening to combined with most people WHO HAVE ACTUALLY PLAYED THESE GAMES are saying that the games are much higher quality than their score reflects should at least make you reconsider your point.


I've given many examples that show everything. The facts that you can never get away from are the wii has significantly less top rated games than the 360 and the ps3 overall. Out of the top games (million sellers) the majority of wii games aren't rated as top games where as the 360 and ps3's games are. This shows that casuals are the biggest driving force behind wii sales and they don't have a clue what makes a good game. I have played most of these games and just like most things in life, the things that sell the best generally arent the best and most people have bad taste but these things don't matter to them because they are happy and that's all that matters to them.