Weedlab said:
adriane23 said:
Weedlab said:
I had a feeling that was the example you would bring in your response (at least referenced in some way). Not necessarily. The first Xbox had a design flaw that caused it to chew discs (in my region). The issue was fixed with in the first year – no “redesign” was needed. Likewise the Wii U was missing firmware updates which were added later and mitigated bricking events (5 months or so). The Vita had some minor issues, but those were alleviated within year one. The same for the Wii with respect to freezing (under a year). The 360 was a profound example of something gone wrong, but more often than not a redesign wasn’t needed for a well functioning system. Tweaks, debugging or adding firmware updates from the beginning alleviated most of the issues down the line.
Also ... Note I didn't say anything about "failure rate". That's a subset of the greater reason why I avoid systems at launch.
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They never really fixed the disc chewing issue. It happened for the Xbox, the 360 (even after the redesigns), and it sounds like it's still a potential issue with the Xbox One, which is why they recommend that you not put it vertical.
A firmware update is not a hardware issue.
This guy has a failed system, so I naturally assumed you were referring to failure rates. If you're talking about issues in general, then you're right to an extent that the probability of launch issues being fixed by the time you get one is in your favor. However, there's still the probability that there will be new issues with the batch manufactured when you get one.
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I am in disagreement, because the numbers dropped significanly after the issue was raised (again in my region). The numbers don't lie. Whether they didn't "really fix" it is irrelevant since the figures dropped significantly after launch (even if it wasn't a true fix as you're insinuating).
Didn't say it was, and that was not my argument (hardware or sofware). It's omission due to a rushed launch still played a major role in bricking which was solved post launch (5 months or so after).
Well you know what they say about assumptions.
You have precdents for the part in bold? ... apart from the 3FixMe, of course.
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The numbers dropped because people just stopped putting their console vertically.
Firmware issues, especially ones that cause a rare problem isn't a good reason to wait to buy a system because the vast majority of users didn't and probably never would have experienced it. That's why it took them 5 months to fix it.
You're right, I shouldn't have assumed you were talking about the actual issue the user was having. I should've figured you could have been talking about general problems for no real reason at all.
One example (there are plenty of others) would be when a cars get manufactured at different times of the year. An earlier batch may be just fine, but a later bstch may need to be recalled due to a new issue.
