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Kasz216 said:
MDMAlliance said:
If 'Obamacare' fails, we will see an even bigger reform than we are trying now. Our health care system in the United States is horrible, and it's mostly because of the mix of private insurance and laws concerning health-care. Do you guys realize that one of the three big things the U.S. spends tax money on is Medicaid and Medicare. That doesn't even cover everyone either. Insurance doesn't really work if people aren't going to pay for it until they need it.


Something to consider.  The US government spends shit tons of Medicaid and Medicare despite not covering everyone.

Most hosptials lose money on Medicaid and Medicare.

 

Were we to go the route of full health insurance, the costs per person would go up.  Not down.

Medicare and Medicaid don't cost us a lot of money because they don't have proper barganing power, they cost a lot of money.... just because healthcare costs a lot of money... and we have a lot of factors that cause us to make much more use of healthcare.

Sure the government would have near infinite barganing power were we to have unniversal healthcare, but it sort of fucks us all over if they use that power to run hosptials out of buisness.

Not sure if you were just making a point off of what I said or if you were arguing against what I said, but I was using Medicare and Medicaid as an example of how expensive health-care has become. Also, the cost per person goes up initially. Theoretically it should go down as time goes on and more money flows to the insurance companies. Of course I am aware of other factors such as the elderly being constantly on life support, and a variety of issues regarding residency and legal issues, but by far the issue being addressed is the main culprit. I am writing this from my phone so I'll continue later.