Current vs Last, a Console Sales Story (COMPLETE!)

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superchunk said:

RolStoppable said:

We'll see soon enough if the 2DS fails. Retailers in the UK offered the 2DS for 10 pounds less than normal and the system topped the weekly UK hardware charts (internal GfK data) immediately. I don't think it will share the GB Micro's fate which had no substantial advantages over the GBA SP.

The Wii didn't die in 2009. Well, it showed decline initially, but it shot back up when Nintendo released Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit Plus and NSMB Wii in the second half of the year. Coincidently, during the period of decline (first half of the year) Nintendo had only released Punch Out!! and the NA-exclusive flop Excitebots, so your recollection of events doesn't hold up. The market didn't change, the basic logic that software sells hardware still holds true. This was further emphasized in the later years by all those comments that Nintendo hardware sales had become more seasonal which really just came down to Nintendo stuffing the holiday quarter with releases while leaving the rest of the year mostly barren. Lastly, your line of logic that "that market" switched from Wii Sports to Angry Birds and never looked back is simply disgusting.

Your Wii U analysis is hilarious. How can you not notice the glaring contradiction in your words? Here's the rundown:

1) Wii U was equipped to cater to the core and the massmarket.
2) Wii U lost third party support, because it lacked the processing power that third parties wanted.
3) Wii U failed to sell to the massmarket, because the price was too high.

If you fix point 2, then point 3 becomes a bigger problem. If you fix point 3, then point 2 becomes a bigger problem. Therefore, point 1 has to be flat out wrong. How could you not comprehend that while you were writing it?

Last point, how come that you conclude I am talking about an N64/GC-like console when I made it clear that Nintendo has to create audience expanding IPs? The N64 and GC lineups were full of sequels, spinoffs and new IPs that were derived from already existing IPs. There was nothing like Wii Sports or Wii Fit in there. If you read and comprehended my previous post, then your conclusion should have been that I am suggesting that Nintendo needs to make another Wii. I have to wonder if you are flat out trolling at this point.

I don't see it as black and white.

I think Nintendo can get 3rd party support with an appropriate console AND still cater to Nintendo core as well as expanded audience.

Maybe I'm being to rash on the price as to do that, yes price has to go up and people were willing to pay $400-$500 for a Wii at one point.

Your vision of another Wii will always end like Wii where it has no sustainment and even Nintendo walks away.

They need 3rd parties AND new IPs on their own plus their existing IPs. Wii was closest to having that but never got 3rd parties. Wii U started showing 3rd parties but left all the expanded stuff off and no new IPs, now 3rd parties are walking away as the expanded stuff is coming, so any rebound will be limited and short.

Nintendo needs a console:
$300-$400 that can relatively easily port from competitors machines so 3rd parties have low barrier of entry
Large Nintendo IPs at launch (at least 2)
NEW Nintendo IPs at launch for core and expanded
MANY 3rd party IPs to fill all other genres and grab core

That is how it needs to plan.

Gamepad + Wiimote + reg controller all need to exist too as they are great items with value and distinction in case of first two.

I don't know what fantasy you live in. The console you are wishing for is too risky for a company like Nintendo.