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NeoRatt said:
Rychussnik said:
NeoRatt said:
Let's move on people...

All computers, smart phones, and consoles require patching to be on the Internet and to fix bugs.

The operating system of the PS4 and X1 consoles probably have over 50,000,000 lines of code. For people to believe that would ship bug free on day one is unrealistic.

Games probably have 10's of millions of lines of code... Again, for people to think they would be completely bug free is unrealistic.

Also, be prepared for frequent updates of both consoles in the first few months... New hardware, new operating systems, and new online patterns will not be smooth for either vendor.

Do I think everything should be perfect as a consumer... Yes... Is it realistic to expect everything will be perfect? No...

i understand what you mean, but, without the Xbox one update, you can't do anything.

Also, smartphones and computers aren't entirely applicable; i don't know about you, but my smartphone is always connected to the internet, and for the most part, it's the same with my computer. My consoles on the other hand, are not always connected to internet, and what about the people that don't have access to good internet?

Again, i do understand the need for a day one update, it just seems troublesome that you can't do anything without it. One more thing that i don't understand, is that if the ps4 had drm, but the patch takes it away, but you can still play games without installing the update, why can't you play games on the Xbox one without installing the update?


MS is in the position where they did a complete 180 on what was built into the firmware from the start.  Although I completely agree that the electronic should work when I buy it, I also understand the technical implication of why this can't happen in this case.  I am positive that MS did not want to ship a product that could not work without a patch, but, I bought one of the first Android phones and they often had the same issue, and have even bought a few computers where without a day one patch they were always crashing.  Although this is not normal in the console business, it is at least an acceptable exception in phones and computers.

There are a lot of coordinated events and logistics to shipping a product, chip production, motherboard production, etc.  The firmware on the shipping X1's is probably way back from early July which is about when they announced the change.  To strip all the DRM stuff out and fully test the 50 million lines of code was simply unfeasible unless they delayed the console.  I for one would prefer to do the "must have" day one update on November 22 rather than wait a few months for the new console.

i agree, but i think they should put the update on a cd and ship it with the consoles. I'm not going to lie and say that i know stuff about computers, cause i don't shit lol, but it seems like an oversight on there part, to reverse the drm policies months ago, and to still be required to have such an invasive update on day one that, basically frees the system. I get what you mean , but the ps4 had similiar policies in place, and it can play games on day one without the update; do you have an idea as to why the ps4 can play games and the xbox one can't?



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