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Machiavellian on 11 October 2013
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Xenostar said:
landguy1 said:
Xenostar said:

The things you suggest removing are pretty damn vital, an extremley expensive peripheral that has almost no functions in games is not vital.

If you get my point of view, why cant you get that a kinectless XOne is easily a possibility.

Being able to see your speedo is integral to not breaking the law, seeing your fuel gauge is integral to not breaking down, again i ask whats the integral part of having kinect when it comes to playing games. 

If it never went kinectless i would still get one eventually, but wed be talking much further down the line than if they offered a cheaper model without it sooner. 

Like I said, I understand the want for a simple game machine. 

This isn't some analogy, this is my own experience.  It would be nice to be able to buy a tablet that doesn't have cameras and speakers and gyroscopes and extra memory that I don't need to reduce the price.  I like to use my ipad to surf the net.  That's it.  No gaming, no watching movies, no skyping.  Just a really high end/sharp image screen and really low weight - that's all I need.  There are a number of cheap tablets, but they generally have really poor screens and really slow processors that seem to make the internet slow and they are heavy.  How does this relate to your want for a gaming system?  It's the same thing, if I want that great screen(the most important feature to me), I have to buy a more expensive tablet.  I get a whole bunch of other features that I amy end up using because they are there, but not because that's what I want. 

The truth is, if you want to play the games/exclusives that come to XB1, then you need to make a choice.  It's not about Kinect, it's about price.  Either you want to buy the XB1 for $500 or you don't.  What you and many others have decided is that you personally do need or want a particular feature of the XB1.  A number of people believe that because you don't like one particular feature, M$ is somehow screwing them by not providing a different console catered to just their needs.  It's easy for the few people that frequent these threads to actually think they are representative of a large part of the marketplace.  The reality is that we only represent 10-15% of the now very large gaming community. 


Yeah some good points.

I dont feel like im being screwed, as im clever enough not to buy something if i feel its just to expensive for me, the current price is clearly just to high to play a few exclusive games. So weather it comes down in price by just time passing or a budget sku being released i'm happy enough to wait i have other options right now. 

I just dont agree with the OP that its a smart move, i think they would sell alot more if there was a cheaper SKU on offer, after the initial launch shortages obviously. And i dont think it will negativley effect the X1 by doing so. Kinect will not be integral to games it might be for the small amount of first party games if MS REALLY wanted it to but i dont think they will, but it will never be for the 95% of the games that are the multplatform games as XOne will only be a small share of the total market.

And for those that want its other features for its not gaming stuff im sure would still be happy enough to pay the premium for the camera, or just buy the premium bundle.

Unlike Gyros and extra memory in tablets, Kinect is a really easy part to sell as an upgradeable option.

@ Bolded:  I believe MS is not looking to sell the most console at launch.  If that was the case, then they definitely would not have the Kinect as central to the X1.  Instead, MS must believe that they will be able to provide incentive to purchase the X1 because of Kinect througout the lifespan of the console.  This might not be so clear today but then again MS is not looking at just today but years down the line.  Its clear that MS want to integrate kinect throughout the entire console capabilities and they have plans to expand on those features.  I also believe its clear that Kinect is integral to the X1 beyond games.  This is why they do not want to separate the the X1 from Kinect.  

On the games side, its hard to get support for a device without the device being there for all developers.  On the features side, its hard to justify adding features and support if you are not sure everyone will have the opportunity to use them.  Even though MS took the  mandatory Kinect out of the system, people still having the device and nothing is stopping a person from just hooking it up if something comes out that is a feature they want.

I believe people are looking at the PSeye the same as kinect while MS is looking at Kinect totally different.  Gamers think of Kinect as an add on while MS think of Kinect like a DVD/Blu-ray drive, network port, controller etc.  MS think of Kinect as essential to the X1 like those other parts of the console.  Today, people would think MS crazy to not include a network port, wireless nic card, controller or even a physical disk drive.  There is a huge difference between focus between what MS has plans for Kinect then what Sony has plans for the PSeye.