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Dark_Feanor said:
dsgrue3 said:

All of them.

Yep, and?

They seem rather incompetent from my perspective, but that doesn't mean they can't lead. The evidence simply doesn't point in that direction. 

Sorry, but I haven´t seen any major retail ever uncover with details the numbers from either consoles.

Please, if you have the numbers show us.

PS: I think a guy that manages a major retail in a major market has much more credibility to estimate how a product would sell than any annonimous guy in a internet forum.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/08/22/gamestop-has-1-5-million-members-on-ps4-first-to-know-list-700k-on-xbox-one-list/

Not really. He's guessing; none of it is based upon any evidence at all. And worse, he's guessing based upon the demographics of his chain (which I've never heard of) so it cannot be extrapolated with any accuracy even if we had some hard data to the broader market. 

Me, I'm using the limited data we do have to comment.