'Forced Camera Anti-Consumer' Says Sony

[Max King of the Wild]

landguy1 said:

Max King of the Wild said:

landguy1 said:

The same thing did happen with the PS2, but in that instance the upgrade to DVD was an evolutionary need.  The PSone alrady had games thaat used 3-4 discs.  The #1 selling feture for the PS2 after launch period was that it was a DVD player.  A year or 2 later it no longer mattered as DVDplayers were much cheaper.  I also agree that neither system needs 8gb of ram.  So M$ and Sony are screwing us on that.  But that is something that both companies are doing on the next gen.  We are talking about the Kinect/Bluray comparison.  You are the one that keeps bringing up other things to deflect that you are either just continuing on about this because you don't understand or just trying to get everyone's goat.  Either way, the whole thing about "Admit defeat" is rather funny.  I think you are the one who has proven that your replies have been clearly defeated.

Lol, you need to think that about ram to be consistant. However you are in the minority. Most people accept this gen needs higher ram. As for me being defeated? Lol its your side still clinging to the idea that he said it was anticonsumer. I at least can grasp what the op said. As for deflecting? No, its bringing up a glaring flaw in your argument. The bluray analogy was the most idiotic thing to come out of this thread

I agree that even if they put 16gb of ram, it wouldn't hurt( more ram is always better at some point).  The whole argument in this thread was predicated on whether an item added to any console is needed vs. what is nice to have for any particular persons interest.  You see, I don't have a "side", as I plan to have both consoles.  I can recognize that both companies put the components into their system to not only sell games, but to bring other capabilities to their console for other agendas.  They aren't doing it because it is in the consumers best interest.  Every single thing that goes into these consoles is in the best interest of the company making it.  As an example, whether they include an HDMI cable or not has nothing to do with the consumer, it has to do with price.  There is no winning this argument, as you have a different point to make than anyone else arguing with you.   You continue to rationalize that we think that Sony is anti consumer, when we ae only saying that if the Kinect is anti-consumer then so is the Bluray drive when the PS3 came out.  I don't think either company is truly anti consumer.  They are both Pro company.

By side I mean "blu-ray is equivalant to Kinect" in this thread. This isn't a MS vs Sony thread and I wouldn't make it into one. But people who are comparing blu-ray and Kinect are doing so because the thread title mislead them 2 times which makes their argument invalid. First time they were mislead was when it said Sony said it was anti-consumer. They didn't. The second time they got mislead is when it made it seem like sony was refrencing to the Kinect. They werent. However, if we are to assume that those two things were the case they would still be wrong. It would be like saying "Wireless controllers are anti-consumer because wired worked just fine" and many other example similar to that. But those arguments are just asinine. Updating specs in hardware is what creates next gen systems. By this type of argument's logic the market would remain stagnant because the previous way worked just as fine. Its called natural progression. The Ps3 needed a disc drive. No one would argue this. Due to natural progression (similar to wireless controllers, faster CPU/GPU and more RAM) Sony implemented a blu-ray drive.