MDMAlliance said:
DonFerrari said:
MDMAlliance said:
| DonFerrari said:
Just what I said... and we see all the good it idea have caused in Russia, China, Vietnan, Cuba, Venezuela (and is trying to cause in Brazil)... if you can stay away from this disease, the only game I can remember that came from a socialist country was Tetris... they are the real enemy...
People lets not argue which is the best gaming system (sony, ms, ninty, valve, google, apple, etc), but agree that the best economical model for game is capitalism.
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So many things wrong with what you said. Russia, China, Cuba? (I don't know about the situation in Vietnam or Venezuela) If you are saying that no "good" came out of Socialism, that's wrong. Russia, China, and Cuba are not Socialist, nor were they Communist. They do not fit the descriptions of either, but rather follow the model to reach towards the GOAL of Communism and/or Socialism. According to Marx, that requires the whole Totalitarian ruler. However, Socialism and Communism would NOT have such a political leader. Communism specifically wouldn't even HAVE one.
Good things that came out of Socialism are plenty and if I have to name some of the good things that came out of Socialism, I'd be glad to.
Oh, and I know that a Capitalist economic model is best for gaming, but there are downsides and there are pretty much no purely Capitalist states in the world save for maybe one or two.
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Again proving me right... for socialism the ideal of what marx wrout, for capitalism we choose the harshest reality we can... then people try to say that scandinavian countries is socialist not capitalist just so they can try to have a good example for them..
And of course Capitalism have short commings, but don't confuse estatism vs liberatism to socialism vs capitalism...
Please give one example of a real country with a socialism government and what good it have done.
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You say I am proving you right, but I don't see it. Grammatically, the bolded statement doesn't really make sense to me.
I also don't see how you think I'm confusing anything with anything.
For your last sentence, Germany is a Democratic Socialist state. I don't think I need to explain much, because if Socialism is so bad, Germany wouldn't be an economic power.
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Yes I'm sure Germany is socialist, but not... they are left wing and have socialistic (or human rights) ideals, but aren't socialist, try to fit their system using the so called marx as you just called it before...
About the bolded I'm sorry if it was gramatically wrong since I'm not english speaker (but sure its easier to complaing about that than to defend your point), it just a repeat of "when we defend socialism we cherry pick the countries that we want to call socialist or the socialistic ideals (and the examples you use doesn't even match) and when we badmouth capitalism we cherry pick the worst examples (like the abuses or out ideas that they all want monopoly and suck the people dry).
Still looking for germany colective means of production and total people control of everything.
