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Mnementh said:
okr said:
Some simple-minded, conservative views in this thread give me headaches.

Please don't attack others because of their political view. I want this thread as discussion about the election. it's probably inevitable, that it brings up different political views. To give the thread a bit less conservatism:

I cannot get how people still electing CDU/CSU. I think most attributepersonal wealth with their politics and personal freedom isn't that important for them. Because in my opinion currently the CDU is the biggest threat to personal freedom in germany: surveillance, "security is more important than freedom" opinions, restriction of internet (and gaming, games are called "Killer-Spiele" mostly from conservatives), reduction of influence of the people over political decision, "Hinterzimmer-Deals", big companies get in dubious ways money for big governmental projects and so on...

Funny also, that all valid criticism on the US is always calles "anti-americanism". We currently know the US and the Britains together spied on the world in a way, that makes look Stasi like kindergarden, but if we start to criticize it, we are in the same moment called "anti-american". Well yeah, we aren't allowed to criticize shit, at least if it comes from our big brother.


Anti-americanism is established in Germany since a long time, long before the NSA-bomb. Please differentiate and see that there is also invalid criticism against USA.

And really, do you remember Otto Schily and Joschka Fischer when they were minister? They were even worse than the ones before and wre not from CDU/CSU. Don't get me started what they did before their political career! I think it's amazing how people don't see failures of the party they vote for and only concentrate on the failures of others.