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RolStoppable said:
Dr.Grass said:

It is actually a huge difference:

Luigi's Mansion was an entirely new idea. 3D and beautiful - remember the smoke and the facial expressions?. Not very long, but definitely fun. Wonderful for Nintendo fans. I wouldn't say stellar, but more stellar certainly than

NSMBU. Nothing new here (be honest!). A 2D game on Nintendo's first HD console. Same as games on the DS and Wii really. Is it really that much better than Super Meat Boy which I bought off Steam for $5? The 2D platformers they've been doing since the Wii have been nice, but certainly not the backbone of a console's software library. Come on.

Pikmin. A brand new IP. Inventive and fresh. Came out of nowhere. At the very least comparable to

Pikmin 3. Very good game - FINALLY - on the Wii U. Doesn't take advantage of the gamepad at all though. Can we call that a draw?

Nintendo Land ... Clearly the target demographic has shifted so far. This isn't AAA. This isn't a killer App. It's an ok-ish gamepack that's fun in multiplayer. But not even close to being as fun in multiplayer as

SSBM. What a HUGE step up from the N64 release! World, sit up and take notice! Incredible game! Go check those reviews (you probably know them by heart anyway)! Killer App! Which leaves,


Wave Race uncontested.


To me that's a big difference. Not to mention exclusive 3rd party games (Capcom and Sega), and equality in terms of other 3rd party support. There's no comparison really.

In my mind Nintendo has fallen from a company that's willing to stand its ground and compete directly with the opposition whilst doing the creative things that sets it apart, to... releasing one (or max two) titles a year that make me feel guilty for not buying their console.

If you think that the GameCube was a marvellous time to be a Nintendo fan, then you've clearly created an alternative reality for yourself. It's also clearly indicated that you are unwilling to change your view of the world, because you are putting Super Meat Boy and New Super Mario Bros. U on the same level. There is simply no balance there. Everything of the good ol' days will be played up while everything of the present will be played down. That's why you perceive a huge difference. Come on, there was no equality in terms of other third party support, because the PS2 received an avalanche of exclusives.

I conceded that the first nine months were better for the GameCube, but pointed out that the Wii U will have at least tied the GC by the time of the second christmas (a timeframe that favors the GC).

"In my mind Nintendo has fallen from a company that's willing to stand its ground and compete directly with the opposition whilst doing the creative things that sets it apart, (...)"

The reality is that Nintendo failed to set themselves apart with the GC, because many of their first party games received a lukewarm reception.

As for your suggestions how Nintendo can fix their problems, they are pretty bad. You are just going by your personal desires, but it doesn't work that way. Remember, you think the GC was awesome, but it didn't sell.


this is ironic, maybe he thought it was a good time because he...i dont know, liked the system and games. Crazy right? Maybe you need to change your view and understand that people did like that system and no it doesnt make them any less of fans, not everything revolves around beating the competition most people dont ever care about that even among forum goers