| DaRev said: 1. Here’s what tickles my goat about you, how can you NOT believe in God, but then believe that God causes evil? How does that work – please explain? 2. Is this your brand of BS raising its ugly head? Dude, I’m talking about the people, the creators of the thing, as oppose to the thing. Please don’t start wasting my time. 4. 3. First, you’re right that action causes evil. Secondly, you’re right that evil also could be equated to a person that causes evil. Where you’ve made an error I think, is ASSUMING that God CAUSES evil. Again, you’re assuming that simply because God made a world where evil is possible then he must be evil as well – wrong! God causes evil no more than he causes good. Both choices are laid before us, and it is us Humans that chose to do good or evil. 4. I honestly think your examples of pain and suffering are rubbish. For if you assume God causes major evil, you must also assume he causes smaller evils or all evils. Therefore, you must also think e.g God caused the economic downtown that the wolrd is going through, people losing homes, jobs, etc, or maybe when you cut your finger did God cause your pain? 5. Pain and suffering, or even evil, are simply a part of the world we live in – get use to it. 6. Another question for you, are you Good or are you Evil? 7. And depending on what you are, i.e Good or Evil, how do you suppose you got that way? |
1. It's called assuming things for the sake of argument, a tactic which you just used. Please stop playing ignorant and wasting time/bandwith.
2. The answer should be obvious enough. If an object isn't evil, then why would the creators of that object be evil? Use your brain. Since it seems you need everything spelled out, I'll just answer you: No, creating a nonevil object does not make a person evil.
3. Let's assume free will exists, for the sake of argument. If that were the case, then yes, some evil would be caused by humans. But some evil would also be caused by God. Let me prove it here:
1. An evil being is one that intentionally causes unnecessary and extreme suffering & pain (you agree with this).
2. Natural disasters, babies born with deadly diseases, etc. cause unnecessary and extreme suffering & pain.
3. Humans can't choose to have natural disasters and babies can't choose to be born with deadly diseases.
4. Natural Disasters and deadly diseases cannot choose to force themselves onto humans, obviously.
5. From 3 & 4, God must be the one that causes natural disasters & babies born with deadly diseases
6. From 2 & 5, God intentionally causes unnecessary and extreme suffering & pain.
7. From 1 & 6, Therefore God is an evil being.
4. Firstly, There is no such thing as a "smaller evil" since evil only describes things that cause extreme suffering and pain (based on the definition you agreed with). Secondly, every single one of those examples were caused by humans anyway, so God wouldn't be responsible for them anyway (if we assume free willl exists). Lastly, even if I were to agree with you that God causes these "smaller evils". how would that help your argument?
5. Yes, I know pain and suffering exists in our world. Another useless sentence. What does this have to do with justifying God creating it?
6. *sigh*. I don't intentionally cause unnecessary and extreme suffering & pain, so no.
7. Ask a psychologist. What is your point?
