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ultima on 02 August 2013
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DevilRising said:
ultima said:
DevilRising said:
Claiming you know for a fact that god doesn't exist, that NO form of "god" or "gods" or "spirits" exist, is just as ignorant and small-minded as trying to claim that any other spiritual beliefs one might have, are "FOR SURE" the only correct beliefs. You can't "prove" there is a god, any more than you can "prove" there isn't. Making these kinds of arguments and sparking these kinds of debates......really serves no good purpose.

So do you keep your mind open to the possibility of an omnipotent teapot with an infinitely long spout floating around somewhere in space?

 

Sure why not. I have my own beliefs, and I do personally happen to be a spiritual person. But I'm not religious, in any way shape or form. I think taking "belief" and turning it into "mass religion", especially of the "One God, One Truth" variety, has been one of the most horrific ideas mankind has ever had.

I take it by your tone and the jest in your comment, that you somehow think I'm ignorant or naive for being open to the idea of spiritual entities existing? If you believe they don't, that's fine. But true ignorance is claiming you know the only "Truth", and that anything anyone else believes that is different must be moronic drivel. I hope that's not why you said what you said, but if you were basically taking a crack at me for daring to suggest that there is no merit in saying one "knows" there is no "God", well.............that was pretty childish and ignorant itself, wouldn't you say?

 

As a bunch of grown, mature, intellectual adults, it would be pretty tragic indeed if most of us were too high handed enough to simply allow varying beliefs to co-exist. Atheists running around screaming at religious folks that "MAN YOU'RE A MORON, THERE IS NO GOD", is just as belligerent, ignorant, and destructive as it is for religious nuts to run around screaming at anyone with differing beliefs "MAN YOU'REA MORON, MY GOD IS THE ONLY GOD". It's two sides of the same, counterproductive and uncivilized coin.

First of all, my comment in no way tried to paint you as ignorant or naive. I just wanted to know if you keep your mind open to all unprovable ideas or just this god phenomenon. I know now what the answer to that is.

I see what you're saying. It's kind of like philosophy versus organized religion. One considers and ponders, the other corrupts and tries to push its agenda forward.

But I disagree with your last paragraph. I personally don't care if people want to believe in their fantasies in the privacy of their own home. But I cannot stand organized religion. An atheist yelling at a passive religious person who keeps his beliefs strictly to himself is certainly messed up. But I don't think that's happening. The atheists that speak up against religion speak up against the establishment. They speak up because religion spreads hatred and ignorance.